Gay Memorials Welcomed, Christian Memorials Banished

--continued coverage of the gay agenda.

In a stunning act of hypocrisy, the state of California has dismissed two memorials featuring crosses while using taxpayer funds to erect memorials exclusively for homosexual veterans.

Memorial Cross Removed from Stanislaus County Park

More than forty years ago, Ore N. Minniear, former director of the Stanislaus County Del Puerto work camp, erected an 8-foot tall stone Cross at a remote location within the park to serve as a memorial to his deceased son, David Minniear.

After being questioned about the constitutionality of the Cross, Stanislaus County Attorney Mick Krausnick determined it should be removed. After admitting, “I think most people were unaware that the Cross was there,” Krausnick announced, “The Cross will be removed.”

Taxpayers Forced to Erect Memorials for Homosexuals

Not only has California’s elected officials pilfered the treasury to pay for the removal of historical Christian memorials, they have also begun to erect several memorials solely to honor homosexual veterans.

In 2001, the Cathedral City, California, city council authorized and erected the nation’s first gay veterans’ memorial in the city’s Desert Memorial Park.

In 2003, on state capitol grounds, California officials installed a walkway “paver” in the California Veterans Memorial dedicated exclusively to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered veterans.

Last month, Palm Springs dedicated another memorial exclusively for gay veterans near the Morris Kight Gay Tree at the city’s Leisure Center.

Judge Orders Removal of Cross from WWI Memorial

In July 2002, a federal judge ordered the state of California to remove the Mojave Cross from the Mojave National Preserve. Though the case is currently being appealed, the state has ordered the Cross to be hidden from public view. As a result, a tarp has been draped over the 68-year-old tribute to World War One veterans, which already rests in a remote portion of the Mojave Desert.

For years, members of the Veterans of Foreign Wars have used the Cross as a gathering place for Easter services, memorial services, and social activities. Sadly, the state of California seems all too interested in erecting memorials exclusively for gay veterans than protecting the age-old and precious Christian memorials.

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This isn't that suprising, considering all of this takes place in California.

I'm personally convinced the Demon's main stronghold on Earth is in California somewhere, maybe near Berkley or Hollywood/LA.

They seem to have combined the Gay Plot and the Political Correctness Plot here.

When did homosexuality and Christianity become opposing social doctrines?

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I couldn't if I tried.

Hey! Whats with the Cali bashing? And I'm sure you can find evil in your own backyard if you look. Now excuse me, I have to work on my next evil plot..

I would speculate it was about the time that homosexuality moved from being a psychological disorder and a sexual deviancy to being a normal attraction with a protected minority status.

I don't think you could an exact date on it, though.....it's been a gradual shift.

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Political correctness is the polar opposite of common sense.

Speaking on a strictly philosophical basis, it has to be and always has been. God and Satan don't walk side by side. Those that walk in sin walk with Satan. The Bible really is quite clear on this.

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Specifically, to quote Ezekiel 16:48-52:

48 As I live, says the Lord Yahweh, Sodom your sister has not done, she nor her daughters, as you have done, you and your daughters.
49 Behold, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom:

pride, (such as the Republican congressional and state redistricting of the entire state of Texas to give the Republicans a permanent majority by gerrymandering the districts within the state, so that Austin (the capital city) has no one in Congress to represent it or its interests, while the three rewly-redrawn districts which include Austin stretch
a) from northern Travis County southward to the Rio Grande River (please note that it is impossible to drive the length of this district, because there are areas with NO ROADS WHATSOEVER)
b) from eastern Travis County to the Gulf of Mexico
c) from western Travis County to west of San Angelo and Ozona
d) which was timed in such a way as to prevent any Democrats for running for Congressional office in these newly created districts
e) which, of course, disenfranchises the entire city of Austin (700,000 people within the city, 1.2 million in the SMSA), as well as hundreds of thousands of Mexican-Americans and African-Americans (who typically vote Democratic, but now "have the opportunity to vote for a Republican" -- as quoted from a current political ad campaign)
f) but Williamson County (north of Austin) and Midland (out in the middle of nowhere) get to keep their own incumbent Congressional representatives -- (Republicans, of course.)

fullness of bread, (such as our Republican lawmakers, both here and in Texas, who are busily shredding any vestige of the social safety net, while insisting that the churches can pick up the slack (and I don't know about YOUR church, but MY church is financially strapped right now -- partially because there are so many poor people needing help, and because the "New Republican Prosperity" isn't creating any real jobs HERE, while busily exporting other jobs off to India and China) -- but those same Republicans did have the time to pass themselves permanent yearly wage increases without having to vote on these increases as a matter of public record!)

and prosperous ease was in her and in her daughters; (like the fund-raising trips by our President, using taxpayer money on Air Force One, and landing a jet 20 miles off the coast of San Diego, CA as a photo-op, or posing with the troops in Iraq on Thanksgiving and eating a piece of turkey which had been prepared in the White House -- instead of the food the troops were eating; or what about the trip to the Bahamas that Gov. Perfect Hair Perry and his (soon-to-be-divorced) wife Anita took with leading contributors to the Texas Republican Party to discuss "school finance reform" -- just as a story concerning Gov. Perfect Hair Perry and his extramarital dalliances in the Texas Governor's Mansion broke.)

neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. (but they did give massive tax cuts to the very wealthy while taking away health insurance to pregnant women and children under five; and the same Governor Perfect Hair Perry did have protestors in wheelchairs, who were protesting cuts to the disabled, arrested and held in jail indefinitely on charges of "promoting terrorism" -- and these same disabled "terrorists" are STILL being held in jail, though not in Travis County because that would be embarrassing to our same Governor Perfect Hair Perry.)

50 They were haughty, (I should think I have presented enough examples already -- but have we forgotten the words "weapons of mass destruction"? And what about our President going AWOL in the National Guard -- where he had been placed instead of going to Vietnam like those other riff-raff and hoi palloi, after taking a leave of absence so he could participate in a Republican political campaign; and it's perfectly OK for the President to do these things, so long as he doesn't have to attend any of the funerals of the people who are being killed in the current war HE created, and can keep the press away from these funerals so we don't have to look at them and possibly question what our President is doing)

and committed abomination before me: (such as our President's documented cocaine use, and alcoholism, and sexual escapades (at least one of which resulted in an abortion which his father paid for); and deliberately lying to the American public (and the world) about Saddam Hussein's "weapons of mass destruction" as a pretext for invading a sovereign country; and our Republican governor's extra-marital dalliances (not to mention those of the Texas Secretary of State); and the deliberate slandering of Georgia Senator Max Cleland by Bush, Karl Rove, and Saxby Chambliss who questioned the patriotism of Senator Cleland (who lost three limbs serving in Vietnam) and actually compared Senator Cleland to Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein because Senator Cleland wouldn't rubber-stamp the President's agenda!)

And YOU folks had the unmitigated gall, the sheer AUDACITY to complain about the stain on Monica Lewinsky's dress! Here's a pair of tweezers: you can use this to remove the logs from your own eyes!

therefore I took them away as I saw good. And some of us are DETERMINED to help MAKE THAT HAPPEN!

51 Neither has Samaria committed half of your sins; but you have multiplied your abominations more than they, and have justified your sisters by all your abominations which you have done.

52 You also, bear you your own shame, in that you have given judgment for your sisters; through your sins that you have committed more abominable than they, they are more righteous that you: yes, be also confounded, and bear your shame, in that you have justified your sisters.

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What amazes me is that fundamentalist Christians (both Protestant and Catholic) and conservatives think they have the moral right to complain about "those awful homosexuals" when they're absolutely no better than the homosexuals they complain about (Romans 2:1-2) -- and in many ways, the fundamentalist Christians and conservatives are far worse (the rest of Romans 2 and the first twenty verses of Romans 3).

Oh, I almost forgot something before I closed:

P. The Word of the Lord.
C. Thanks be to God.

Originally Posted by drfeelgood

Speaking on a strictly philosophical basis, it has to be and always has been. God and Satan don't walk side by side. Those that walk in sin walk with Satan. The Bible really is quite clear on this.

On a social basis, I can think of a way that they are opposing doctrines. Christianity preaches a message of love and selflessness.. Homosexuality is all about preaching hate and selfishness to the opposition, using every technique available to them to silence the critics.

I can refute your second paragraph in two words: Fred Phelps.

And the moment you tell me he doesn't speak for Christianity, I'll quote your comment and throw it back to you with the appropriate words changed, to point out that Kirk and Masden don't speak for homosexuals either.

Me, I try to follow Jesus of Nazareth, my Lord and Savior, who had instructions on how to treat all your fellow men and women, and I sometimes wonder at the American Family Association, the Concerned Women of America, the Institute for Creation Research, the Family Research Council (or Institute -- which are they calling themselves these days?), Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Florida, and a few dozen other groups that seem to have mistaken Jesus' message for that of the Pharisees: "Thou shalt force thy fellow man to obey every jot and tittle of the Law, lest the Lord thy God smite thee for allowing unrighteousness, but thou shalt focus on outward appearance and ignore those commands which call for loving acceptance of those whom thou believest to be in sin. For I am a finicky God, much more interested in having you make your fellow man toe the line than I am in the heart and spirit behind it." That is, of course, a gross perversion of what the Lord actually says, but a large number of Christians seem to act as if they believe that is what He meant.

I don't take Fred Phelps as representitive of Christianity.

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all this that i have
is all that you are
cutting for love
a new trophy scar
just not worth the tears
and the penance
not worth the blood
that we both pour
i want to live
without the guilt we give
i want to die without this pain
i want to live
without the guilt we give
i want to die
without your name
without this pain

I don't either. I can also refute his refutation in a very simple statement. "Actions speak louder than words". The actions of the homosexual agenda have spoken, even on this board. They advocate hatred, the very thing they speak out against, in throwing labels and spewing libel and what not at everyone that advocates an opposing position to their own.

True, one can try and argue that Kirk and Madsen don't speak for homosexuals everywhere, but even that is a faulty line of thinking. Whether they want to admit it or not, the majority of homosexuals adhere to their playbook, if they would only take the time to read it. The homosexual activist and advocate groups worldwide speak on behalf of their members and take their actions directly from the homosexual manifesto. The homosexual population in the USA alone is estimated at more than 10M strong and is represented by a very powerful lobby. How do I know? Look at the effects. The results of their efforts. They speak for themselves.

Christianity, on the other hand, has also spoken for itself. True, there are those, like Fred Phelps, who may have overstepped their bounds, but he does not speak for the majority or even the average Christian. He doesn't even speak to a comfortable minority. He has a small following focused primarily in his church in the southern US.

Man, if you properly did your research, Polycarp1, you would realize how far off base that statement you made really is. There is no comparison between the two factions. If we look at it from a position of scope or magnitude, there is no comparison. If we attempt to compare followings, we will find there is no comparison. If we look at it from a position of methodology, there is no comparison. If we looked at the end results of the campaign, there is no comparison. Even if we looked at it strictly from a position of power, there is no comparison.

There is NO comparison.

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