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  1. circuitrider

    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    The Rev. Joseph Fort Newton quoted in the previous post was a Baptist minister and then an Episcopal Priest further pointing out that a lot of Christian clergy are and have been Masons. According to wikipedia " In 1939, Newton was ranked among the top 5 Protestant Clergyman in the United...
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    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    Sorry, since you posted in the forum, I was under the impression you intended to discuss Freemasonry. If you don't want to, cool by me.
  3. circuitrider

    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    First mis-understanding. While Albert Pike wrote a lot of material, that book is his own opinion. It isn't "the doctrinal book of Freemasonry." Only about 30-40% of Masons belong to the Scottish Rite that he was Grand Commander of during the civil war. And he was only Grand Commander of the...
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    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    I don't mind the trade union analogy. But do remember that most Masons are no longer working stone Masons. We study the theories around architecture and stone masonry but I only know a couple of Freemasons that are actual stone Masons. We are primarily a social, charitable and educational...
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    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    No Freemasonry isn't Christian, just many of its members are Christian. Freemasonry is a fraternity. Universalism really doesn't apply because no Freemason is required to believe that people of any religion go to heaven. We don't tell people what to believe about their religious faith. So it...
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    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    So are the Boy Scouts polytheistic? You are misusing the word "polytheist." We are expected to believe in a Supreme Being. There is no Supreme Being in polytheism. Not telling people what view of God to believe doesn't mean that the organization believes in all gods. It means that each Mason has...
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    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    Thank you for actually responding with something you believe to be evidence about Freemasonry. Why couldn't you have actually started with that rather than, "Freemasons are Satanists, won't tell you why...."?? As to my assertion that thousands of Christians are involved in Freemasonry, the...
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    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    If you have at least graduated from High School (I don't know your age) you would know that a baseless claim is one where you assert something like "Freemasonry is Satanic" without offering any "basis" that is "evidence" for the claim. It is no small thing for a Christian to accuse many...
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    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    Something other than an unsubstantiated claim. That isn't that much to ask as a member of an organization that has been declared "Satanic" because you say so. A place of open discussion shouldn't be a place where people can made baseless claims.
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    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    I know God is real and have experienced Christ’s love. But again, claiming something is Satanic is a pretty serious thing to say about any organization or group of people without offering more than, “a friend wrote a book and I’ve seen it.” This is what I get most all the time when someone...
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    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    People make claims like this all the time. But I never see anything to substantiate it. In the US the majority of Masons are Christians of one denomination or another. I've read numerous anti-masonic articles, several books, lots of websites. They are full of falsehoods, half-truths, innuendo...
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    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    I don't see it JM. I'm a United Methodist pastor and a Freemason. I've been ordained for almost 30 years and I've been a Mason for 18 years.
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    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    I think you are going to have to be a lot more specific than that. I find nothing in the gospels to oppose Masonic membership.
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    Is Freemasonry really Satanic?

    Spirits can attack you???? Sure, find a good Biblical argument for that. The above post makes no sense at all.
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    The United Methodist Schism

    I see the solution is that the there is work being done on regionalized Books of Discipline and a Global Book of Discipline. So that issues of marriage etc. could be in the regionalized Disciplines. I personally don't think that the traditional plan will pass because I see prominent...
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    The United Methodist Schism

    First, you need to be aware that this is one person's suggestion. Most clergy members want the rules changed. The Discipline changes every four years when the General Conference votes changes. It was not against the rules to perform same sex marriages until 1972. It passed in a simple majority...
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    The United Methodist Schism

    By the way, a big problem with how the incompatibility clause was inserted in the Discipline is that it is NOT in the doctrinal statements of the denomination anywhere. Not enough United Methodists, even in the 70s, agreed with the position enough to pass the super majority hurdles to get the...
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    The United Methodist Schism

    The problem is that the law is in the part of the Discipline that are listed as chargeable offenses. So, that statement would have to be removed from that part of the Discipline and relocated. Otherwise I don't see how you can enforce one set of offense in the paragraph and not another. Also...
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    The United Methodist Schism

    Wow, that's pretty rude.
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    Board moves to slash general church funds

    Well, depending on if this happens or not, it will effect apportionment. How much, I don't know.