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I did not create my children - apart from supplying the seed, they were created by God in my wife's womb...an amazing process! No, I am not God, so I don't deserve glory and I did not create my children - God designed and created the mechanics for me and my kids to exist. Don't think so...

There is no contradiction here. Remember, I am referring to a relationship between God and a creature He created, not a relationship between two created beings (ie. human love). God's glory would be a prominent feature of this loving relationship. The creature in love and awe of it's Creator and...

Guys, I am not making massive revolutionary claims here that I have to 'back up' - this is a forum...not some academic journal publication... For me, this has to do with the nature of a true relationship. You cannot have a mutually loving relationship with a robot - the robot will ONLY do...

When the thing that has been designed can genuinely make its own choices...

The robot analogy is very limited - we can never create a robot that truly has 'free will'. It can only make choices based on the way it is programmed. One of the unique features of humanity is this attribute of 'free will'. We do not have the ability to create something with genuine 'free...

The robot vacuum cleaner does not have 'free will'-just preprogrammed responses. This is why it is called a robot. This vacuum cleaner never makes a true decision-every vacuum cleaner will respond in the way it is programmed by the designer to any situation. Humans are not robots and can make...

The suggestion that a created being could 'condemn' their Creator is absurd to me. As stated in the other thread, God created mankind with the free-will and capacity for both good and bad - if there were no capacity for good and bad, there would be no free-will. It went bad and still is - he...

What kind of human being permits this?!!!! This atrocity was committed being by a person, NOT God - I am stunned that you cannot see this!! How do you explain your outcry against the 'evil' act committed by a man in the absence of God - you have no moral barometer to judge it as 'evil' and no...

I've been away from this thread for a few days as I really can't see where you going with this. Are you referring to the kids murdered by Hitler? How is that God's fault?! If you want God to intervene in this, where should it stop? Should he intervene every time a baby is murdered in the womb...

OK, so you clearly can't help at all in explaining the existence of 'evil' in our world. It's all very well nit-picking what Christians believe - it would be nice if you could share your ideas...

Your describing the same thing with different terms. If I'm locked in a prison cell I have a limited amount and freedom and a limited amount of free-will - if I'm not in prison, I have a greater amount of both - there is no difference.

This whole thread is about answering the question. I have no problem explaining good and evil - I refer to Jesus Christ as the barometer and judge of good and evil. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean I haven't attempted to answer it. Maybe you could enlighten me with...

I'm glad you believe there is an abundance of 'evil' in the world - on what basis do you decide whether something is 'evil'?

Sounds like a riddle! So...what is the difference? Maybe an example would help as I'm still no clearer...

What's the difference?

Did either of you bother to read the whole of my post? Do you really think Christian's feel drawn towards a 'barbaric' god? Your simply cherry-picking comments and sensationalizing them out of context. This discussion is a waste of time - at least have the decency to respond to my whole post...

There is too many dimensions to this discussion to make it as black and white as you say... Do I praise God for the beautiful sunset - yes. Do I scream obscenities at God for the child wired up to the machine - no. Do I care about the child wired up to the machine - yes. Do I think God...

Ian is not suggesting that two fingers should be stuck up to anyone. I think you'll find many Christian's have been at the forefront of movements to care for the sick. Jesus was at pains to stress that caring for the sick was a huge priority for the Christian. In fact, the Christian has a HUGE...

You appear to accept the presence of 'evil'. Maybe you could provide an explanation for the existence of 'evil'? How do you define it? Tony - this is the 3rd time I've asked you this - it's very easy to pick the bones out of my responses. It would be nice to get a straight answer out of you...