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RIP Rick Mayal

I have already said I reject your view as do even Arminians such as OZ. The choosing is unto salvation , election and choosing , yes the same thing. Besides the fact remains according to your quirky view God cannot choose personally whom he will save if the Choice is mans . The result is...

i reject your view scripture is clear enough , chosen to salvation 1 Thess 2 [13] But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth as...

How does this , "I was replying to cygnusx1 who stated that sin was created. I was affirming that it was not created - " Make sense , when you already affirmed , I was replying to: Originally Posted by cygnusx1 " Sin isn't created , it's the absence of the created ."

1 Thess 5 [9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ 1 Thess 2 [13] But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the...

You might wish to amend your last quoted post , it doesn't match the other two.

Works in the body , and fruit , these and these alone are the criteria we shall be judged upon , a faith that only believes and doesn't act upon belief is fatal. Faux faith is that which doesn't accomplish works A false faith is one that claims to save but by bad works or no obedience fails...

James doesn't deny faith saves , he just distinguishes faux faith from genuine , and the false faith cannot save because it isn't accompanied by fruit . Faith works by love and how do we know we love Him if we don't keep His commands ? James uses the illustration of demons who merely believe...

I don't .

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A lack of honesty ?

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I agree it is a bizarre doctrine founded on a corruption of the nature of saving grace and a whitewashed view of salivation , but as soon as you oppose it your counted as either a Pharisee or a believer in works salvation ...

Scripture does speak of false brethren , in Galations

Satan sinned first

If it's the previous post it should be obvious , I explained to you before why I sometimes do and sometimes don't , sometimes it's directed towards the Discussion not a person , ok .

Sin isn't created , it's the absence of the created .

But the regenerate do seek God ! Clearly Romans three is dealing with unregenerate mankind .....

Amen ! But a straw man is certain to sidetrack and tempt others to dance to a divergent lost cause ... Smoke and mirrors bro and childish games of 'refute me then' 'I can rebut better than you' it's like kindergarten !!!