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    LDS Joseph Smith and the Astronomers

    Because it did an excellent job of refuting the previous argument.
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    LDS Joseph Smith and the Astronomers

    I'm not having a problem regarding this topic. I suggest that you speak only for yourself. Quoting a different non-doctrinal source isn't going to change the fact that I am only going to deal with doctrinal material. And since I am capable of forming my own statements about doctrine, I expect...
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    LDS Joseph Smith and the Astronomers

    I don't deal in "Mormons deny/believe/think/say . . ." Mostly because the claims that are made this way are incorrect and, like in this case, vague. 1. God is Spirit AND 2. God has a physical body. Where would you like to take the discussion from here?
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    LDS Joseph Smith and the Astronomers

    Be my guest. But what purpose would that serve? You quoted John Gill, a man giving his opinion on the Bible, as if his words had any importance to me. I did not quote Joseph Smith, or any other of our leaders, in order to support my arguments. I mainly rely on the Bible for my support. I only...
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    LDS The LDS savior doesn't exist

    That's exactly what came to my mind as well. Sweet!
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    LDS Joseph Smith and the Astronomers

    That's fine. He is still not a source of scripture. And he is not on the forum for me to debate directly. Which means, I'm not interested in what he wrote and I don't consider any of his views binding on Christianity as a whole.
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    LDS Joseph Smith and the Astronomers

    Do you have any proof of this claim?
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    LDS Joseph Smith and the Astronomers

    To consider ourselves brothers and sisters to those who accept Jesus as their Savior isn't aiming low. It's showing love to the members of our earthly family. At least, that's the way we look at it. I'm not interested in division. I welcome all Christians to join me in a celebration of peace...
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    LDS Joseph Smith and the Astronomers

    Focusing on the use of one word does not change the fact that any explanation that mainstream Christianity might offer will be equally true for us. Let me make a quick correction. What you find amazing that (what you incorrectly offer as the belief of members of The Church of Jesus Christ of...
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    LDS Joseph Smith and the Astronomers

    I read the post, but am not including all of it for sake of brevity. First off, what John Gill stated did not refute my point. Secondly, John Gill is not a source of scripture. Therefore, anything he has to say on the topic is his opinion. Third, if John Gill wants to show up and argue his...
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    LDS If it is directly from God, he would have good Grammar!!!

    Is it your view that asking for wisdom is not asking for truth or answers? Perhaps you can explain to me what the verse means. What wisdom actually represents.
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    LDS If it is directly from God, he would have good Grammar!!!

    Forgive me for not understanding, but how does that affect my statement?
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    LDS If it is directly from God, he would have good Grammar!!!

    Just so everyone at home can follow along, what I have offered is that God is the source of truth and we can pray to Him for answers. That is my approach. It is the approach of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. You have called that a radical subjectivity approach. Or to be super...
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    LDS If it is directly from God, he would have good Grammar!!!

    I'm noticing that you failed to provide any evidence that I did what you claimed. Now, I would like to see where I told you how you can post. This seems to be another baseless accusation. I'm actually interested in having you back up your claims. Which isn't happening. Here's the great...
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    LDS If it is directly from God, he would have good Grammar!!!

    Personal attacks do not contain substance. Which places this comment firmly into the camp of a double standard. But pointing out personal attacks does bring attention to the fact that "nothing of substance" has been offered instead of something of value. And the more personal attacks a post...
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    LDS If it is directly from God, he would have good Grammar!!!

    Which comment did I make that told someone else what they thought or what they believed? For those following this discussion, allow me to point out what I have presented is that all mankind has the ability to seek truth through prayers. And if a person has a sincere desire to know the truth...
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    LDS If it is directly from God, he would have good Grammar!!!

    That would be silly to list every single preposterous thing that a person might think to pray about, or offer as an argument. Instead, the Bible wisely states that if we lack wisdom. Which would cover pseudoepigraphical books as well as any topic which a person might truly need help in finding...
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    LDS If it is directly from God, he would have good Grammar!!!

    Personal attack. That's 1 point for me. Another personal attack. That's a second point for me. Condescending comment. No points, but such a heavy reliance on negative rhetoric rather than arguments of substance convinces me that there will be little of value in the rest of the post. To...
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    LDS Joseph Smith and the Astronomers

    Then the same explanation should work for us. Anything that bails mainstream Christianity out of the supposed problem caused by the death of the universe will apply to us as well. Okay. And we can claim the same thing.