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What would you do that you don't believe God has done?. Jesus did say woe to them. David, a man after God's own heart, was not a person of great character, neither was Paul, James and John, and Thomas. Solomon the Great, either. Jesus didn't have any non human followers.

Where did I say anything, in my reply to you, about the Pope in Rome?

It is not conjecture, not at all. Even many Protestants agree that Peter was given the Prime Minster spot by Jesus. What you seldom see, though, even among some Catholics is that the apostles were a collegial group. They were pretty much chosen together. So there is no seniority. Paul tells us...

Both, since both hold to very much the same teaching.

Your interpretation, by your own authority. Yes. But when you submit to the proper authority, all that mud gets washed away.

Oh, pot meet kettle, etc? At least I present facts.

What about divine flesh, Bob? Matt 16 talks about the Pharisees and Saducees...

That passage speaks of the Church's authority. Thanks for answering my question.

Why did Jesus tell Peter first? Also, Peter is almost always named first among the apostles, or they are grouped with him. There are several reasons we call Peter the prime apostle. Jesus didn't rename the other apostles, either. We believe that the bishop is in charge of his diocese, but must...

Thats not what the thread is about. It is title What if Jesus actually meant what he said? And its a question about Matt 16 and John 6. Protestants don't believe Peter was given primacy or that we must eat Jesus flesh to have eternal life. Pope is an office, and bishops vote other bishops into...

I agree that if you don't understand what he said, you're at risk. But what do you believe, what it is documented that the early church understood them to mean? Or some late interpretation. So the real question is ' Did Jesus give us an authority?' We believe he did, and that its the apostles...

If you've lost track, the way back is to refresh. If you've no inclination to do that, ok.

There's a lot of reasons for that, too. The movement of the capital to Constantinople, leaving a void of government in Rome, and only the Church to deal with it, for one. Invading forces for another. The Church was pushed into the secular world after she became a legal entity, too. And look, I...

Where did Jesus call Simon a piece of rock? Kepha doesn't mean "a piece of rock". How many times in the New Testament is Peter called Simon, and how many times Peter? or Cephas or Kephas?

So what about the part where he says that unless we gnaw on his flesh and drink his blood, we have no life in us? How is that "his words are the flesh he's talking about"?

Well, you're on the right track. The Pope is no higher than any other bishop. It is true that he carries a greater burden than other bishops, but he is, simply one of many bishops. It is scriptural. Jesus appointed 12 apostles, all with the same authority. And it is of significant historical...

Oh really...do explain.

Is Jesus God? Yes, so Peter is second to God in terms of church authority.

So what?

What about John 6 in context, like, as a whole?