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  1. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    You're group sounds much different than the secular (socially amoral) OWS movement in Zuccotti park. You bring faith into the mix, something that is clearly lacking in OWS Again, you guys are different. You're not camping out in a private park in the middle of NYC, smoking drugs and...
  2. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    I disagree. The core is rotten. Yes, we are all cracked vessels. Hence we need to find Jesus and accept him as our lord and savior. And the sin coming from Wall Street is no different than the sin that caused the economic collapse: greed. People were greedy (not just Wall Street execs...
  3. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    You, Christachrist and I are all brothers and sisters of Christ. But I believe that the two of you are blinkered, if not blinded, by your political ideology when you go to assess OWS. Any criticism that is thrown their way, you justify or rationalize as "unfair treatment by the media" or...
  4. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    I forgive you and I will pray for you. I tried to keep it universal, which is why I used "one" instead of "you." I think you have a pretty good bead on scripture. And I believe we have more in common than you might think. I suppose it doesn't hurt to state the obvious. However nuanced...
  5. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    Different threads are for different topics, this one is primarily about OWS. That said, now that you've explained yourself a little more I can see where you are coming from. Where did I say I gave greater merit to one verse over another? This is part of what I was hinting at with the...
  6. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    Doing so will only further derail an already reductive dialogue. But since it's Christmas, what are you unclear about that you need me to clarify for you? I am a Christian. I believe in a literal and inerrant bible. God is violent and vengeful in the bible, he is also a loving father and...
  7. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    Your statement is a false equivalency of epic proportions. And talk to me when America starts treating their women the way Al Qaeda does.
  8. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    You were building strawman that were becoming a bit of a distraction, I wanted to re-focus the discussion to the thread topic.
  9. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    1/3 of OWS believes that the US is no better than Al Qaeda, according to a New York magazine survey. These people are delusional.
  10. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    People who light themselves on fire get your attention too, but that doesn't mean we should listen to them. Sure. But they should be asked in a reasonable way. Not an ambush-style chant. No, they're defunct, and growing more and more desperate. Well, they're doing an extremely poor...
  11. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    I believe in a literal an inerrant bible. The more research I do on OWS, the more trouble I have reconciling with their methods, messages and motives. I'll give you all an example of what I'm talking about. Today, Newt Gingrich was set to give a speech in Iowa. When he walked up to the...
  12. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    Both you and Tulc missed the point. Scripture is sacred. The bible is the word of God. Yes, in many cases as transcribed via surrogates. But, it is still holy and it still contains sacred truths. The overall point is that my verse rings true: no work, no food. I am still doubt that they...
  13. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    Is the bible not the word of God? Yes, they've said it themselves. I'll post the video when I find it. The rich already pay their "fair share." 50% of America pays no federal income tax. Wealthy people create jobs and use their money to fuel investment which creates more job. Taking...
  14. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    I'm not sure those are Tea Party signs. In fact, they were probably culled together from various organizations that have little, if anything, to do with Tea Party protesters. Not to be a pain in the butt, but do you have actual video evidence that places those signs in the context of a Tea...
  15. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    Think about it. Please reference some Tea Party videos with "racist" signs. I don't know of any.
  16. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    I believe in a literal and inerrant bible. And while Jesus certainly preaches about taking care of the poor and the downtrodden, he speaks very candidly about those who are able, but unwilling to work (refer to that verse I posted). OWS people are not helplessly poor or abjectly downtrodden...
  17. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. -Thessalonians 3:10 It entails earning one's keep. To be humble before the Lord. To bear witness to truth and justice. This does not fit the Christian response: Occupy Wall Street...
  18. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    Fannie and Freddie, TARP, regulations, and other forms of fettered capitalism, caused and/or exacerbated the recession. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. -Thessalonians 3:10
  19. Zongerfield

    Occupy Wall street and the betrayal of Christians

    I agree that we need to change Washington. We need more constitutional conservative politicians in office. Politicians who know and understand the U.S. Constitution. I'm wholeheartedly against entitlement programs and social welfare programs or any politician who seeks to forward an agenda...