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    Does God control the Weather?

    I do too in the carnal scientific sense...But GOD foreknew correct? God knew exactly what he created and the consequences of it correct? He knew it, so he is responsible for it all just like he is responsible for his children. I don't think any of it is chance do you?
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    Consensus on the phony books of the Bible?

    I am certain I'm on the right track since I have rejected most doctrine of mainstream Christianity for the last few years. I guess you can call me a universalist if you want a label. I have been mostly focused on translation issues of the bible but this thread kind of made me feel even more...
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    Consensus on the phony books of the Bible?

    Not to get too off topic but considering most are not smart enough (including myself) to decide what should be thrown out or added in are we safe to say its ok to read what we already have? I am smart to know that some translations are better than others but when it comes to sorting out what...
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    ... ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart

    I will ponder this for awhile. Thanks! I believe most of what you believe here. Its very interesting to see these separated states of righteousness on paper. Do you have some more scripture that can back up saints or elect vs the unrighteous at present. I've been struggling to figure these...
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    ... ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart

    I thought the father draws us to him? Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who has sent Me draw him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
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    You fool!

    Just a quick response, Regardless of what your saying about printing errors etc. You must admit the bible has many warnings I false Prophets and teachings. Why take a chance?? Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have...
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    You fool!

    I do have problems with mistakes of translation in my bibles. Most of the mistakes are going from greek/hebrew to english with about a 2000 year language difference. Book of Mormon 200 years english to english. Do you see the difficulty difference? I agree modern translations lack the meat...
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    You fool!

    Yep these changes... I do apply the same standards, I check back as far as I can in translations. The problems I have is that you have a book written in this country, a young one at that. The book is in English, there are no excuses in translation error. Plus you would claim it was a...
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    You fool!

    It would be foolish to start a church out of thin air and revise a book multiple times that is only a couple hundred years, If the book had not changed one "jot" from the beginning I would take the time to read it. I don't condemn anyone though, we will all see the light in the end and will...
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    You fool!

    Guess I'm a fool. Hopefully they serve good drinks at the judgement bar. Hopefully they will understand at the bar that giving us all these contradictory books was not good judgement on their part. At least I know Jesus wont condemn me... Joh_3:17 (KJV) For God sent not his Son into the...
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    Let's Talk About Hell (3)

    Great post, Thanks for this!
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    I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell.

    I agree with you on this. We are entering the realm of chance and not creation. I think science and God complement each other and of course there are similarities, GOD will use what works. I think the evolution we see is minuscule, and if evolution does play any small role its GOD's intent...
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    I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell.

    It could end! The ages could be unlimited. Not necessarily but time could seize to exist for all we know, time may stop...age is more biblical than for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever. Who ever used for ever and ever before it was mistranslated in the bible? Show me some...
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    I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell.

    Your saying for an "age" I'm saying multiple "ages". You nor I know the plans of GOD and what he will do with some of these ages. Ages may not exist anymore after we have been dwelling with GOD for multiple ages. I don't know, you don't know. But really your playing with my words, you keep...
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    I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell.

    I'm still talking about "forever and ever" that you are not addressing as to be translated ages. I can't be any clearer than giving you actual scripture that proves "for ever and ever" are not scriptural. You said it yourself..."There are two types of reigns" Would it be fair to say that these...
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    I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell.

    Okay I'll try this again... Either this is a contradiction or "for ever and ever" is mistranslated... Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall...
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    I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell.

    Your correct and both are not scriptural. aion which has been mistranslated to eternal should be translated to an undetermined amount of time. There are many studies on this. Yet you can make the word eternal fit its still incorrect. As an example, "how much longer is for ever compared to...
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    I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell.

    What is eternal life? or age abiding life? Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Some will be separated for an age of chastisement and the others an age of knowing the only true GOD. Does 25:46 SAY an...
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    Let's Talk About Hell (3)

    Whats the difference between "for ever" and "for ever and ever" Is that second "ever" mean a longer duration than the first? See this is also why we have an understanding that aion is not translated correctly. It does not make any sense. "ages and ages" or "ages of ages" would fit for...