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Except I'm not arguing using probabilities. I'm using the bible to make my points. I made my points scriptually at the begining of this thread and you are welcome to argue them if you'd like. Romans 6:9 says, "For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again" You...

I got you now. Yes, there are some wolves among the sheep posing as sheep who were never saved like you say.

I didn't respond because I wasn't completely clear of the point you were getting at, particularly with the second from last sentence of post # 70 and also with this post.

Yeah, but no Christian commits apostasy unless they are switching faiths, but that makes them not a Christian if they do that. For a Christian, once saved always saved.

A, but not B. Disobedience is not apostasy, nor is does it relinquish salvation.

Are you talking about apostasy or saying no via disobedience? I mentioned that I agree that a Christian can commit apostasy at any time: that is, they can switch religions.

I'm not arguing the point you just made. Everyone has a choice to say no to believing in God. Those who reject God do not have salvation. But those who do not reject Him do have salvation when they come to Him through faith in Christ. By coming to Him through faith in Christ you are in fact...

I don't think it is possible for a true Christian who is saved to reject the gospel they have come to know so I am not able to answer your question. (Some may turn to Hebrews 6, but that is saying something different than this. That is not talking about a CHristian who rejects the Gospel, but...

Why are you using such huge font? The point I would like to make here does not go with this thread. Please post in the thread "We cannot lose our salvation" for your response. But we cannot lose our salvation if we claim that Methusela died at 968 instead of 969. That's crazy. THat is...

I'm not asking anyone to justify their salvation in this thread. It seems almost quite opposite what this thread is about actually. This thread is to reassure Christians that they are saved. Not questioning to check if they are. I think you are alluding to the verse that speaks of, "Do not...

:eek: You mean God didn't change the way of doing things from the Old Testament to the New? I think He did. In the old testament, salvation was only offered and available to the children of Israel. At times others were drafted in, but those were rare occasions. When they were drafted in...

That is what we are talking about. I hope you don't get hung up on semantics. The topic at hand is: Can we forfeit our salvation. I'm testifying that we cannot, with one exception. The exception is apostasy. If we suddenly become Muslim, or call on another god, then we just forfeited...

Okay, this.... The best bible interpretation uses the bible to interpret itself. There is a series of things to think about. First we look at the verse and try to interpret what it is saying. Then we look at who's speaking and gauge where they are coming from. Then we look at the passage to...

Then what's a carnal Christian?

God commands us to live holy because He is holy. We are still commanded to live upright and without sin through Christ who helps us to not sin. This command to live uprightly does not have a price tag of our salvation with it. We live justly because we are followers of Jesus and He makes us...

As soon as I read your comment, my first thought was, "That must be the Old Testament." I looked it up and yes, it's just the old testament, which makes sense to me. THe old testament was before Christ, before the day of Grace, and a different dispensation than the New Testament. THe old...

If you deny Jesus before men, he will deny you before his heavenly Father in Heaven. Does that mean deny salvation? No. There is another verse that is really similar. I can look up the verse if you want me to, but it goes something like this: "If you deny me (Jesus) before men, I will...

Hello PapaJP, I think you may have misread what I posted. I was not questioning my salvation at all. I am absolutely sure that I am saved. My post was about those who believe that they can lose their salvation: how they live life questioning whether or not they are really saved...

Let's start dealing with scripture again. I already posted in this thread the scriptures that show that Jesus' sacrifice for our sins covers our future sins too. Let's assume for a moment that what you say is correct. That brings up a whole lot of questions: How do I know that I am saved...

Thanks for posting that Fred. The main reason people come to a different conclusion about the scriptures is because salvation does not make sense from a human perspective: how a holy God can be so loving to make salvation free to undeserving people really makes no sense at all from human...