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Exactly, this is the concept that resulted when Augustine brought his boat load of personal issues into his fight against Pelagianism and managed in the process to find a way to blame his own nature on Adams fall. Greek speaking churches never agreed with Augustine and the Eastern churches...

The God of Islam is the God of Israel, the fact that Muslims see him as a God of hate does not change the fact they first encountered him through Jews and Christians. We have to pray every day that they will see the truth and come to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Not putting physical limits on God. I'm saying that in order for a loving God to inter-act with his creation and allow that creation to grow God willingly puts limits on his temporal existence. Psalm 139:16 13. For you formed my inward parts;you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. 14.I...

Oh we can disagree cheerfully. If everybody thought alike then one of the two people in a conversation would be a waste of time. When we speak of living within the arrow of time we are referring to moving in one direction, into the future, so here we are essentially talking about causality...

I am one of those people who see God as existing temporally. He does experience time and there is never a set future only the here and the now. This does not detract from his omnipotence or omniscience. God has all the control he wishes to exercise, and knows everything that has ever happened...

I wouldn't let it bother you as far as having different views from other members, among Methodists that's the rule. But if you want to teach that as doctrine then you might have a problem. But to be honest in our church it would not stand out, you would just have to be prepared to argue the idea...

By and large that's true of most UM Churches. We are more inclined to hear than the message than participate. Much like Presbyterian and Lutheran it just seems to be more dignified in the Lord's house. Our Minister spoke on those very topics just a week ago. We don't avoid sin or the...

It's a good debate topic, a good way of making someone really look at the way they see their theology. Take a look at this debate subject from another forum. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ‎"Nothing whatever, whether great or small...

Advent wreath is a big part of our church and our home. It would not be Christmas without it.

Amen to that.

Not at all. It's just that a very similar situation came up not too long ago of someone arguing a very Calvinist view while making a point of saying he attended a UM Church. As I said to Graceseeker I have to admit there are a lot of people in my church who might agree with you. But as I...

Well, truth be told, my own church is very large and the beliefs are diverse as they come. My Sunday school class has quite a few former Presbyterians and Baptist and most are always surprised to learn there are differences. So you're right, he is asking questions, and he is a lot more polite...

Beginning to look a little too much like a situation from a month or two ago when someone made out to be Methodist but took the same tact and argued for Calvinist thought.

I would have less of a problem with Calvinism if it did not hold the idea that God chooses only some to be saved and condemns all others. To me that is not the God of love that I know. Of course I also have a real problem with predestination in general, it isn't an idea that I personally can...

That is the essence of prevenient grace. The Holy Spirit calls to us and lets us know we in need of help. If we are blind enough to allow our selves to go under we have still used free will. Used it foolishly, but that is sometimes the price of freedom.

If a man is drowning and calls out to the shore for help and his cry is heard and someone saves him, did he save himself? Or was he exercising his will by crying out knowing it was up to someone else to save him ?

There are a lot of Bible passages that indicate God's desire that all men be saved thus bringing us full circle back to free will. Titus 2:11 - For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. God's grace is how salvation is bestowed 1 Timothy 2:6 - Jesus gave Himself a...

It isn't that we ignore passages such as Roman's 8: 28-30, but we try to put them into a perspective that adheres to the complete message of God. Perhaps a way to look at passages in the Bible might be to take a more holistic approach. Take the whole of Paul not breaking his letters into bits...

That's really what is most important to me. They can hold all the events they want, it's a free country.

Liberals did found the country when being conservative meant "obey the King." Progressives hi-jacked the label to hide their agenda which is making the government the fount of all largess... the problem is, it is the churches place to provide for those in need not the government. And I would...