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*passing torch off to evan if he so chooses* Power knocked out via storm for almost 4 days. Lost urge to debate meaninglessly. Have fun! Your god ruined lots of food for 5000 people :'(. Wasteful.

bleh lost urge to debate... Power knocked out from tornadoesque windstorm for almost 4 days. Going to revitalize with some computer games. Been uber bored. Reading and card games only go so far.

If that was suppose to be satirical at my expense I never claimed I have or even know first hand. But through out the bible it isn't described as a place where you're forced to lick a never ending lollipop for the rest of your afterlife. So just the theists aspect of allowing their god to be...

Well probably because you're applying a supernatural entity smiting you for your own decisions when with out his smiting you would otherwise have gone on living. You didn't kill yourself by jumping off the bridge, you didn't electrocute yourself by sticking your fingers in. When you choose to...

Hey... I had a reply I really did. But this dastardly forum system logged me off when I had it typed up and posted. And as a result I lost the whole post. So I apologize. It's 3:30am though and I am much to tired to rethink what it was I wrote and even more so to go about writing it. So tomorrow...

I am most saddened. I had a reply of huge proportions but for some reason I was logged out while in the process of typing it and I'm now unable to recover what I wrote :| 3am. I don't feel like rewriting it. So I will lamely and with out shame post some quick remarks and then call it a night...

Except that that number is 1/10th of the estimated deaths as a result of religion be it wars, witch hunts, inquisitions etc. Do the math. Find the heinous acts religion has done and add the numbers. Far more than 100 million. And from what I recall Stalin's act wasn't specifically tied to...

So are you claiming god went to sodom and told them to stop? Or his followers. I don't recall it mentioning it when I read the passages. But supposing it's true. Why are all gay men and woman not being burnt alive as back then? Or was that gay especially gay? and needed to be dealt with...

"why would god not protect the writing" Well to do so would violate free will. He'd be telling people to make sure it's right, and would probably threaten hell onto them if they don't. This violates free will. Did god himself write the book no. Does Satan have this same limitation of not...

I don't think you fathom the cruelty and unjust punishment of hell. To say it's less painful than sins which cause no actual physical harm. I could murder a man tomorrow and not have the sin rip me apart. I could sleep with my neighbors wife and would actually feel satisfied for being able to...

So your parents told you of said rules right? There was no bible, there was no 10 commandments when god did this. So it was his ignorance to not even tell the people what they were doing was wrong. Or was burning them alive and sending them to hell a way for him to tell them? Such a loving...

Ah but you're using free will to swan dive off that cliff. They didn't use free will to become a human bbq. Or are you implying that them being gay is the reason god had to intervene and abruptly kill the whole village, which I think would be out of their free will, rather than wait for them to...

So god judging people and smiting them where they stand is completely not inflicting with their free will? What are you on to make you think such. Would be like saying god is giving you free will but if you don't do what he wants he'll kill you. Where is the freedom to choose your path? "He can...

So when the village of sodom wanted to sleep with those men, god was respecting man's dominion by torching them alive? So when (can't remember his name off the top of my head.. orne? ornan?) was choosing to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] onto the floor rather than impregnate his brothers wife, and was put to...

"But you are dismissing the obvious. God uses evil to do His will. Is part of His plan, therefore, He doesn't have the conundrum of free will. He is not either willing nor unwilling to stop evil. When He will stop evil is prophesied in scripture. We, mankind, are perfectly capable of messing it...

:) you noticed the quote hentenza :) nice :). But in this case the quote would mean he's able but not willing... But to stop someone from doing evil is to violate their free will which he can't do... and if he can't do it then he's not omnipotent. I like the quote fits well :). But if you...

or is he able but not willing? suppose he could be both able and willing... maybe? or maybe he's neither willing nor able? anyone know?

I don't disagree at all that a lot of atheist are aggressive against theist. They believe it to be non sense and from an outside perspective believe that they see a lot of hurt and destruction brought on via religion. And seeing as how nothing I can ever say will ever convince you to look past...

Don't recall if it was asked but why are you/were you hurting yourself? From an atheist stand point I would imagine there more to it than lack of faith or god making me a martyr w/e. Are you stressed out? bullied? does it feel good when you do it? endorphins work in weird ways for people. All...

Debating religion is fun, although I can imagine that questioning someones world view is threatening on their behalf. It's often a mindset of atheist that we're trying to spread our views of common sense, and our views of critical thinking. We're often flabbergasted in this idea of believing...