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Chetsinger : You had a very good eye for noticing the actual biblical text uses "κυριοσ" and not Jehovah. I had thought to be done with this point and am glad to see that readers themselves can pick up on these theological additions into a text that never...

Spiritandtruth2 : 1) The issue of trust The point is, IF anyone is willing to lie to forum members about a text of the bible, then we cannot trust ANY other data that person offers us as being true. 2) The issue of efficient and relevancy inside communication This willingness...

OK Spiritandtruth2 : Last chance for relevance and I'm done. IF, you ARE, somehow, using the Greek, and you feel that your personal translation of Greek New Testament IS, correct, tell us WHICH manuscript or papyri or fragment you are using to create such a strange rendering of this verse...

Spiritandtruth2 : You are offering a lot of irrelevant claims that have NOTHING to do with correcting your mistake. Do you know of a single Greek manuscript, papyri or even a Greek fragment that actually has the word "jehovah" in the verse where you attempted to quote it? Does ANYONE in...

Hi Spiritandtruth2; None of your posted "answer" changes the point. Your quote of this specific verse is incorrect. My point was NOT that your theology is correct or incorrect and I am NOT trying to express any sentiment against any specific Christian movement. I think many of the...

Spiritandtruth2 said “For example, when prodded to do an act of worship to the Devil, Jesus said: “It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.” (Matthew 4:10)” Post # 293 I did not have much interest in entering...

Revelation testament said : We also have Him saying John 8:47 47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. Here the word Θεοῦ in singular form is being used for "God." But I believe Jesus may have said JHWH ie ye...

Revelation testament said : Thank you for trying to help, but it seems you are just confirming that it is virtually impossible to try to translate the majority text back into Hebrew at least for the purpose of confirming the names/titles of God with any surety, LOL. You are correct. It...

Why can't those verses that render God and Lord with the article "the" before it be rendered as "the Elohiym/God" and and simply "YAHWEH" for the Lord. post #203 LittlelLambofJesus It doesn't work that way in the Greek. I have found that the plural form of Theos is used for Elohim in the...

RevelationTestament said : "It doesn't work that way in the Greek. I have found that the plural form of Theos is used for Elohim in the Greek NT. (post #204) RevelationTestament : Can you give me two examples of your "plural form" of Theos that is used for Elohim in the Greek NT? Perhaps...

Joneysd : My point is that we are not glorifying Jesus by lies and deceptions and twisting and dyscontexting what others believe. We are not glorifying Jesus when we abandon Jesus commission to Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature for the personal satisfaction...

Joneysd, before you celebrate about what you think is an inconsistency, read the entire speech and the entire lesson in context. Clearly

WilliamGrahamSmith : I have to say that I agree with the non-LDS, joneysd and hillsage in your disagreement regarding who Jesus atoned for. When I was an Evangelistic Christian, I had believed that Jesus entire Life, his accumulated suffering and his prototypical life as an example for us...

POST TWO OF TWO These men then speak with the resurrected sons of Symeon (who were NOT Christians and were NOT baptized while they were alive). These two had died, and gone to the world of Spirits, converted to Christianity while in the spirit world, and had then been resurrected with many...

POST ONE OF TWO Ran77 and Defensor Christi : Correct me if I am wrong Ran77, however, it is my understanding that the world of spirits, into which ALL individual spirits inhabit (whether they are prophets or unbelievers) is the "spirit world" / world of spirits, etc. is not generally referred...

Kurama asked in the O.P. : “… I'm quite interested in the pre-existence Mormons believe in. So basically Mormons believe that life does not begin at conception, but that the person will have already lived in heaven with God before. However the soul would forget everything upon being...

POST TWO I have considered from various contexts the reason that we are given relatively little knowledge of prior existence (other than to learn about this belief and to have varying levels of information about it; varying degrees of understanding of this early judeo-christian doctrine...

POST ONE Kurama asked in the O.P. : “… I'm quite interested in the pre-existence Mormons believe in. So basically Mormons believe that life does not begin at conception, but that the person will have already lived in heaven with God before. However the soul would forget everything upon being...

POST THREE OF THREE The early Christians taught that, however poorly we do it, we are meant to try to be more like God. For example: The very first thing Ignatius teaches the Christians in Ephesus (verse ONE) is "You are the imitators of God" (Ignatius 1:1). This is NOT a complicated principle...

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]POST TWO OF THREE I think it is this closely unified and joint administration that contributes to much of the later confusion between Father and Son in later doctrines though the early texts it is taught that they are two individuals that are...