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Howdy brother! :wave: Is everything Olympic fever there?

How can it be foreseen faith if Paul clearly says that it's God who chose for God's purpose because God called them? Where is the indication that His chose has anything to do with either their faith or their works here? But moreover, keep reading. Why do you think Paul would get so defensive...

I did for me. :confused: But it's just my previous question to MKJ in this thread (#58) where I engage the actual article. Again, please see my response above, because I don't think there's any assuming on my part given the text. It also seems to be quite clear that this election is of...

I gotcha. But you seem to have a very specific view of "apologetics" here, that I don't think reflects what "defending the faith" is all about. The purpose of apologetics is not to beat someone in an argument, but to show that our faith is not a blind leap into the dark. We have very good...

I've only read his Author of Sin, so I can only speak to about that. But based on what I read there, I'm not really interested in reading more...especially since I barely have time to read much of anything right now. So yeah, my view if very limited and he could have some good stuff out there...

Whoops, misread that! Disregard!

Not a fan. If you're interested in why, please go here. Otherwise, he's been discussed here before, so it might be helpful to read some older threads. :thumbsup:

That sounds like evangelism, not apologetics. Are you saying that we should not defend the faith and only preach the Gospel? Again, thank God you're doing better, and thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. :)

Thanks be to God you're doing ok brother!

My pleasure. And as always, thanks be to God if I or anyone else was able to offer something helpful. :) FWIW, I'd encourage you to study both/all sides of the issue. Read Arminian (and even confessional Lutheran) responses to this stuff and see if it jives with Scripture. When I first...

:clap: Thanks be to God brother!

Please see my comment here. It seems to plainly say God not only has a plan, but it's a secret one. If it's a secret one, it cannot be based on some manifest action of the individual or it would not be a secret. That's cool, but I'm just trying to figure out why they agree. Everyone keeps...

Ok, but where does the article identify predestination with only God's foreknowledge of who would choose Him? It seems to plainly say that it's not foreknowledge, but a secret decree:...he hath constantly decreed by his counsel secret to us, to deliver from curse and damnation those whom he hath...

Well, there's always these guys: EXORCIST You just can't make this stuff up. :D You also have these guys. I don't know if they're Orthodox like Exorcist, but these are certainly EO themes (as is the name of the band). Epitimia - Epikrisis II - Intrusive thoughts - YouTube

I was just asking what specifically is ambiguous about this particular article. I'm not interested in debating the interpretation, but just asking where the ambiguity is that would lead to different interpretations, because I honestly could be missing something here that is clear to others. :)

It does. Thank you! :)

My pleasure brother and thanks be to God if it's clear and useful! I'll try to cut out some quotes to keep this as short as I can. I think the confusion may be that you seem to be using different terms at different times. Earlier you seemed wonder how you could be united to Christ, but not, and...

Huh? :confused: I'm fine with your comment about God's "will of disposition" regarding Gehenna (i.e. how He "feels" about it and that He dosen't enjoy it). The reason I was asking is because it sounded like calling it "refining grace" rather then punishment seemed to want to sidestep the...

Fair enough. Ahh, gotcha. Yeah, I misunderstood you. :doh: In that case, it would be up to the person or tradition interpreting the data to determine which criteria to prefer and why. We know where the EO stand in regards to their version of choice. You're going to find folks on both sides of...

I simply said that he was factually incorrect about his claim based on the facts. Am I not allowed to correct factual errors because I'm not a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church? :o I haven't debated how we interpret these facts and have not said the EO should not use the LXX. I just stated...