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The argument from morality for the existence of God is not for the God of the Bible, but for a more generic god. I just believe that god to be the God of the Bible. If there is a god then it should concern us all. If there's a possibility of god then we should not be apathetic in our inquiry. I...

No. A test would be another thing for groups to politicize. Not everything we vote for is about candidates platform(things like gambling, flouride in water, school bonds etc.). Another problem is that some politicians platforms are not so clear and change with the polls.

Sorry talk text. We are driving past the absolute reference point(God) and into comparative religion. I think we have digressed enough. Alright I've checked out your link to fairies and also visited a few other websites on them. In all cases they seem to be creatures, pests, but are still...

You say there is no absolute reference point with such certainty what is your evidence against it? I do not use half a glass and full glass I was very careful not to do that. I used no units. We are jumping past the absolute reference point parentheses God close parentheses

I have offered inference to the best explanation. I have read your link on empathy about two and a half times. All I see is references to why we might act but not good reasons why how we act are good or bad. Utilitarian reasons are often given but empathy isn't always needed to act in a moral...

We have both posited theories on the source of morality. All you have provided is a motivator to act on that morality (not even a necessary one). My theory still stands and yours is wanting. Abdicate and accept what answer for morality? OLD is a common attribute of history. It is better than a...

Of course there is a supreme reference point, you cant "measure" morality any other way. Picture a glass (any size) that is void of water, add water to glass (any amount). There is an increase in water in glass. Now fill the glass as full as possible, that is the supreme amount. Now pour some...

I will propose the same dilemma as I did for davian. If society shapes your morality and societies morality is is based on the morality of the people, what came first your morality or the society that shapes your morality? It's a chicken and egg thing. I see where your two questions are going...

Society is contingent on a moral system a moral system is contingent on empathy empathy cannot take root outside of the society. This is a classic example of the chicken and the egg dilemma. What came first empathy or society? The waning group called the Jesus Seminar and their claims have been...

It seems to me you are a moral relativist, which I find scary. I don't see how anyone can ever be morally wrong or right in such a system. To condemn or extoll anyones actions would be to act from a logically fallacious stance. That is a quagmire for mass injustices. Ad populum morality puts to...

Empathy is good for moral motivations but is not sufficient for a source for morality. Empathy isn't even required/possible in moral behaviour, in situations such as victimless transgressions, or in situations where the effects of one's actions can not be seen. I'm not going to try or even...

So if the Nazis won and took over the world, would they be wrong? So it would be meaningless to say "I'm happy" in comparison to my usual mood, because I cannot offer a unit of measurement for my emotion? Ok. I wonder what meaning I can draw from your comparison of "nowadays" to the days of...

What about locking up murderers? We do take away control from them. Even before they kill we try to control their actions.

Sorry ithought "injustice" was implied. It seems to me it that you thought it an invasion to not allow a woman a choice of abortion. Sorry if I jumped to conclusion.

Why these requirements for the basis for morality?who came up with this list? You? What is compassion?(not sure I should even ask that question, I might get some subjective opinion for an answer). Well, if we need units of measure for good and bad to help us determine what is moral then lets...

So, where is the injustice if they were prevented from making a destructive decision?

If you are for life yet for someone elses choice to take a life,I'm sorry, that is not pro-life.

Morality is not confined by society. If it were one society would have no legitimate grounds to condemn another society for moral shortcomings/violations. Things like the holocaust would be fine. Units are not needed to know if something is increasing. Do you need units to know whether...

And just as often we do not get to pick our Consequences.

I guess it comes down to what you consider a right. The right to life is what this conversation is about to me, not the right to fornicate without consequence. I think the conversation ( which has been among a few of us) about car wrecks, elderly, and invalids are analogies used to show the...