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Agreed, but the question becomes how? Human cognition is very unreliable, prone to wild hallucinations and biases which cloud our ability to come to accurate conclusions. What method do can we use to make sure what we feel we know is correct?

A hypothetical question for us to chew on: If you felt that you had a clear and undeniable mandate from God to act in a way that was counter to civil or prevailing ethical standards of behavior, would you do it? An extreme example: If God ordered you to kill your son, would you do it? Even...

Yes you are technically correct but I feel it falls under the category of punishing mothers for the act of abortion, though it seems to narrowly define punishable abortion, it's along the same lines. The original thinking is the same it seems, abortion is akin to homicide or miurder, and...

Measure on illegal abortions heads to governor - Salt Lake Tribune It looks like someone agreed with the reasoning in this thread.

Your answer is satisfactory, this thread isn't meant to sway you into changing your opinion. You can (and did) answer "neither" and that's OK. My purpose of this thread was to explore the logical ends of viewing abortion as murder; oobviously if you don't see it that way then this...

I see your points, but I have to ask, do you believe abortion is the same or worse than murder? Should it be considered so legally?

A law requiring hospitals to report incomplete pregnancies would do the trick. Those records exist already, this would simply be consolidation of them. If you don't believe abortion is murder then there is no quandary for you here; I am addressing people who believe it's murder, and asking...

So what I get from this is that the slaughter of innocents isn't more abhorrent to you than occasionally having ex-pregnant women checked for signs of abortion. Abortion can't be that bad then in your opinion, correct? Occasional discomfort for a small number of women is less desirable than...

I'd like to hear some other people who believe abortion is murder weigh in on this. Surely I can't be the only one who believes that we ought to punish murderers!

Not all pregnant women; women who were known to be pregnant but didn't produce a baby. A women who gets pregnant then experiences a totally normal term and gives birth wouldn't even know this law was in place. Again, I'm just proposing testing for previously pregnant women to determine if it...

As long ad you don't personally advocate criminalizing abortion then your position is internally consistent and there is no problem here.

No, it just reflects the realities that pregnant women who mysteriously are no longer pregnant are suspects of a crime, and we investigate when we think a crime might have been committed. Do you think that abortion ought to be illegal at all then, tropical?

What is pointless about exporing the logical ends of illegalizing abortion as murder? Have you no love for hypothetical discussion? This seems to me the logical end of making abortion illegal on the basis that it is murder. We ought to treat abortive-mothers with the same prejudice as all...

I understand your points, but any time I put your arguments up against "not punishing murderers" they ring hollow. If abortion is morally equal to murder, if it is every bit as wrong, then I see no other choice than to prosecute and investigate it with the same vigor and depth that we do normal...

I would you hope you both understood that my hypothetical involved the assumption that abortion would have to be illegal for it to be murder in the legal sense. Obviously it isn't now, I'm discussing how it OUGHT to be.

It would take very little effort to draft a law requiring hospitals to report women who were once pregnant but are no longer so. Don't you think a little loss of privacy is worth punishing and deterring the murderers of thousands of infants every year? Murder, especially of babies, is a...

FSTDT? I'm deeply sorry for your losses, if it were up to me no one would ever experience such heartbreak, I just don't know how to reconcile the belief that abortion is every bit as immoral and undesirable as murder with the idea that we shouldn't punish the people who choose to bring it...

Just my thoughts on a subject. If we consider abortion to be morally wrong on the level of murder, then it logically extends that we ought to punish the mother if she was complicit in the abortion process. I got to thinking how law enforcement officials could prove beyong a reasonable doubt...