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I've read a few things here and there, watched a few vids, and am also of the opinion that things are not exactly as she is telling them. At this point we can only speculate as to why, but as you pointed out there are just way too many inconsistencies in her version of events.

I will quote myself to end this quoting debacle: Fetuses are only terminated up to a certain point. Most fetuses are terminated while they are still only in cellular form. I can certainly tell the difference between a group of cells with human DNA and a human. And you've just committed another...

Erm...'termination of life' was put on quote marks because I am actually quoting the phrase used in the original thread. Also in regards to it's application there are many different 'terminations of life'. For example, euthenasia, abortion suicide and murder can all be considered 'termination...

It's not about whether a person objects, but whether the actual comparison is valid. For example: Hitler/Nazi Germany to Pol pots Cambodia: Both included genocide, a charismatic leader, facism, torture, work camps, etc. VALID COMPARISON. Nazi Germany to abortion; both are gov sanctioned...

The point is that if you are going to make an argument, make it without resorting to guilt by association arguments. If one wanted to talk about another gov. sanctioned 'termination of life' then talk about something like the death penalty. To resort straight away to the comparisons with nazi...

some good examples of Reductio ad Hitlerum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7uOZjclwXk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv03W_M7L9A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8

Alright, I'm not exactly a professor in this sort of stuff so step in if you'd like to make a correction or whatever. I've just done some of it word for word for wikipedia to make it easier. What is Reductio ad Hitlerum? The actual term is dog latin for "reduction to Hitler". In a nutshell it...

Actually, I think I'll post a new thread about it. Should make for good discussion anyways. Will do it tomorrow. Oh and as I said ("I respect that you may not agree with abortion. I DO NOT respect it being compared to those who died during the years of nazi germany.") I do respect you views...

I may disagree with your views on abortion but am not offended by them. Perhaps if people thought a little harder before making such a comparison there would be no offense at all. The 'termination of life' allowed in abortion is entirely different to that committed by nazi germany, and therefore...

Side note; seems we have another example of why we can't talk about abortion. Sigh.

...... I said nothing about abortion. Where did I say in this thread whether I was for or against? Just don't compare it to nazi germany. I can't believe you'd be arrogant enough to try and flip that around. Do not try and say I'm using the terrible deaths of my family members for my own...

Because when we forsake our 'worldly desires' all we really have left as an outlet is the church (or temple, etc etc) If we come to have the church as such a huge part of our lives then we'll think nothing of say, spreading the gospel, or leaving them a chunk of our inheritance. Money is just a...

Blooming heck.... Christians! Stop claiming codes of morality that were in existence long before your religion! Get your own moral code!

Yes it was unethical. More that the culture that existed in the sport was unethical, and he got dragged in by peer pressure. We certainly shouldn't put all the blame on him. If a drug such as steroids gives an athlete an un-natural advantage over their opponent then that's cheating, which is...

Very interesting question. If the person in question has absolutely no history whatsoever of engaging in any sort of sexual behaviour with kiddies (including inappropriate content, both real and animated) then I can't see why they should loose their job. As previously stated, pedophilia is not an orientation...

*bangs head repeatedly against desk* I'm sorry, but aborting a fetus =/= the holocaust and nazi invasion of poland, france, etc. On so, so many levels. If you would like some points as to why then start another thread or pm me. Stop using one of the most tragic events in human history to...

Wow, Godwins Law may have to be evoked early in this thread. Seriously, do not compare abortion to Nazi Germany. It's a total insult to those who died there, and their loved ones who survived.

Preachers are an overblown mediocrity. It's like, okay preachers, we get it. You believe in god. Good for you... The amount of double standards I see on this forum are staggering....

I also thoroughly enjoyed GD. Dawkins style never really annoyed me or anything, actually it reminds me a lot of my uni lecturers. Perhaps that's the reason some of his 'holy-er than thou' tendencies weren't immediatly evident to me (yes, pun intended). Perhaps I was mirroring my own thoughts...

....right. Your friend needs to get her head checked. Seriously. It's not the prayers I'm worried about...I'm worried that she'll go all crazy and try to get custody of the child against the will of the mother/it's best interests to fulfill her own selfish wishes. Do me a favour, and keep a...