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God says: Everything comes in parables [Mark 4: 11-12] yeshuasavedme says: Everything does not come in parables Ahem ... it's not me you are arguing with. I think you need to really take what Jesus says more seriously, think about it, and stop contradicting Him. Huh? I never said Moses was...

The solar system is not flat. The orbit of Pluto is inclined 17 degrees wrt the ecliptic. The orbit of Eris is inclined 44 degrees to the ecliptic. Other objects exist in highly inclined orbits. Not that this is really relevant to anything

Possibly, but that's not relevant, as you are talking about me and I'm not the subject of discussion. Now about "Everything comes in parables". That's not the same as "parables come in everything". The first tells you that the truth in Genesis comes in a parable. What you are saying is that...

He said, "Everything comes in parables." See that word everything there? Who are you to say it doesn't apply to Genesis? OTOH, this is just what you said. It's not me who speaks them or speaks of them. It's God. And when he says "everything comes in parables", you blurt out "poppycock"...

If you change that to some of them (probably most of them), I agree. They are doing the Catholic Church and Galileo thing again, to no good effect. Similarly, the words of Genesis are plain, ... hmmm, as our good friend yeshuasavedme tells us. Is it possible there could be a deeper meaning...

This is what God said [Mark 4: 11-12]: The mystery of the kingdom of God has been granted to you. But to those outside everything comes in parables, so that 'they may look and see but not perceive, and hear and listen but not understand, in order that they may not be converted and be forgiven...

Hmm, this is not what you quoted when you said I changed my wording. Nor did I "amend" my wording. I made the case much earlier that people doing science will speak as though the science model is "the truth" even though they are aware that it is a model. In the first usage, I was doing just...

shernren, it may be more artistic but it is also plain unfair. This time it's not so bad, but last time we talked, you complained about unqualified people, bad metaphysicians, etc, without actually naming anyone you were complaining about or complaining about anything specific. It was a matter...

I did not change my wording. I quoted myself exactly. What follows the quotation is an amplification completely consistent with the quotation. The foundation is not that we were 'robbed' of something. It is that we ceased to be in communion with God and it became a requirement that we seek God...

My point being, Shernren, that I can guess what your point is, and if my guess is right, I've already answered it elsewhere. But who knows? I can only guess. So how about it. Spit it out. What are you saying?

Shernren, what is your point? You are always saying things indirectly. I don't want to try and figure out what your point is. Why not make it directly? Do you actually think you've got it all figured out? My whole point is that I know I don't, and I really doubt that all the others who do...

gluadys, I did not say that science rules out miracles. I said something very different. I said "in the models of reality given by science, there are no miracles". It's very simple. Every miracle is a violation of a science model. If a miraculous six day creation makes God a liar because it...

Not exactly. The mutations are random, but there is more than the too-degenerate-to-survive barrier limiting what will survive as a new species. There has to be a niche. So there is an element of randomness in speciation, but new species are far from randomly differentiated from their parent...

That doesn't sound like science to me. A science-like-activity, sure. Science, no. What if the truth is different than what you want it to be? This would be OK only if you don't like the theory for a scientifically legitimate reason. Moral reasons, or trying to fit the narrative of the...

Nobody has to believe either that Genesis is literally true or that Genesis is instead a metaphor. The "God is a liar" argument, though, stinks. It amounts to claiming that if God does any miracle, then he is a liar, because in the models of reality given by science, there are no miracles. So...

Me too. The bush is definitely better than the Douglas fir, but both do require 'progress' in average by the simple reasoning that the beginning is at ground level, no branch can grow below the ground (by whatever value we define progress, life is not going to get less intelligent, less...

Well, evolution does not move "forward" if a stromatolite of 3.45 bya and a modern human are equally "advanced". That they are equally advanced is something like an ideology, not a fact. It is very easy to measure progress given a scale (intelligence for example). By this measure, humans are a...

One could say this is true by definition. Still, what motivated the resurgence? I think that the general agitation around the theory of evolution must have played some role in changing attitudes towards science which was eventually successfully institutionalized as creation "science" focusing...

It is thought that most Christians were able to reconcile their understanding of the Bible with growing scientific evidence in the last several centuries of an Earth much older than is implied by a literal reading of Genesis. I have read the history of this science, but do not recall it well...

And so? Other than Michio Kaku, who are you talking about and how is it relevant here? No doubt, but so what? Well, I agree that creation "science" is wrong, but I'm enough of a metaphysician to know that I can't actually say that young Earth Christianity is itself wrong. I've argued...