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  1. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    The main point is simply to block a move that various atheists ( note there are those who actually oppose this move also ) have repeatedly been trying since 1979, when Flew first tried this line in debate ( with Craig I think? ). That is they wish to define away, by equivocation rather than...
  2. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    ROFL, you hand-picked the definition and even then felt compelled to add a comment to try and get people to read it as you want them to! It's laughable given that I have never actually stated you asserted the proposition concerned was false anyway! Merely that you assert that you believe it to...
  3. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    As someone noted earlier I'll let you argue it out with the dictionary; http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
  4. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    Ok, I am now intrigued, so before I leave for good I will ask two questions to try and grasp what exactly your position here is; Do you accept that theism is belief that a god or gods exist and that atheism is the belief that no god or gods exist? If so do you recognise that these are...
  5. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    Ok. we're done, no one has said you assert there is no God, merely that you assert that you believe there is no God and that this is not the same as the mere lack of theism you claim. The quote undermines your own claim yet here you are trying to claim it supports you...... There is clearly no...
  6. NewToLife

    Peace, and why there is none.

    I agree, there are structural forces that drive some of this, yet whilst I agree on that point those forces do not excuse our individual actions.
  7. NewToLife

    Can Christians please justify their belief that their God created humans?

    I think I have deja vue.... I know you read what I wrote because you replied to it yet here you are asking essentially the same question as though I had never posted in the first place.... And you wonder why people are suspicious of your questions?
  8. NewToLife

    Can Christians please justify their belief that their God created humans?

    And every piece of that sound evidence comes through your perceptions. You appear to be making a circular arguement in that you evidence that your perceptions are accurate by evidence gathered through those same perceptions and which cannot ultimately be verified without their use. In simple...
  9. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    And here we have it, an agnostic who rejects the label atheist for himself and is quite clear what the word atheist means. I guess we can dispence with the idea that it's only theists who reject your definition now eh Grega....
  10. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    Actually if you assert you do not believe X to be true then you assert that you believe X not to be true. Thats how the language works. You seem to be trying to swap out your belief in the second part for an assertion that you can prove your belief. The error is subtle but quite fatal to...
  11. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    That you imagine you ( or atheists as a whole ) dictate language usage to the rest of us is absurd. This is untrue and demonstrably so everytime an agnostic rejects the label atheism. If we accept your definition then this is not true, firstly most atheists would be babies and say...
  12. NewToLife

    Can Christians please justify their belief that their God created humans?

    The answer is effectively that we determine reality through our perceptions but of course that is the same way that all humans determine what is real. The question thus reduces to the question how do we determine between reality and our perception of that reality. The fact is that all human...
  13. NewToLife

    Can Christians please justify their belief that their God created humans?

    To be fair I do not believe that it is foolish to respond, simply foolish to allow any response to be forced into the parameters the OP sets up in his attempts to force conclusions by asserting a string of dubious and debatable premises as true without demonstrating that they are. If you attempt...
  14. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    Nice switch, I said nothing of merely believing but spoke of making assertions, I'm afraid false dichotomy wont fly here because its aimed squarely at a strawman. Plainly speaking, in the English language, if you assert that you do not believe a claim you effectively assert that you believe the...
  15. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    Hmmm, then you are effectively denying your own atheism in favour of agnosticism. If you want to communicate you probably need to use language as it normally is as opposed to how a small group attempt to manipulate it for advantage. In general usage atheism is disbelief in God not lack of...
  16. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    There is no actual or real difference between the assertion that you do not believe a claim and an assertion that you believe a claim to be false. Attempts to claim lack of belief are simply a failure on the part of those making them to consider the logic of their position fully. There is a...
  17. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    There is no actual or real difference between the assertion that you do not believe a claim and an assertion that you believe a claim to be false. Attempts to claim lack of belief are simply a failure on the part of those making them to consider the logic of their position fully. There is a...
  18. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    Any decent etymology text or site will suffice as your source. For instance; http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=atheist As for moot points you are again simply incorrect, normal usage outside of the attempts of atheist activists to redefine the term still aligns with the original...
  19. NewToLife

    If we say "not *your* God"?

    Actually you are simply wrong here, in fact the word atheism pre-dates the word theism and is derived indirectly from the greek atheous via French. The idea that atheist is derived the same way as a word such as amoral by simply prefixing 'a' to negate an existing term is a mistake, an...
  20. NewToLife

    Can Christians please justify their belief that their God created humans?

    They shouldn't, I think it takes a history with you to make the realisation and many of them may not have that.