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  1. judechild

    Excerpts from the Pope's Soon to Be Released Encyclical

    Yes, I would not have linked the document for you on that other thread, if I wasn't confident that it was authentic; that is because Magister - the journalist who published it - is top of the line (ergo he has a reputation to risk; he also lost his press-credentials for publishing it). Magister...
  2. judechild

    Excerpts from the Pope's Soon to Be Released Encyclical

    Moonless Night - I am not saying anything about your post, but I can confirm that the Pope is speaking indicatively, rather than conditionally. He does make a cautious conditional in paragraph 23 by referring to the need of humanity to "combat this heating-process or, at least, the human...
  3. judechild

    Will you read the new encyclical when published?

    I doubt too many would admit anything but "yes;" though, words be but ghostly things. The text of Laudato Si has been leaked in Italian: http://speciali.espresso.repubblica.it/pdf/laudato_si.pdf. Here's the first paragraph: "'Praised be you, my Savior' sang St. Francis of Assisi. This...
  4. judechild

    Filioque

    I am glad you would like to debate; we just have to agree on the parameters before the debate can begin. I proposed this a few months ago, let me know if you have revisions: Title: The Filioque Prompt: The inclusion of the Filioque in the Nicaea-Constantinopolitan Creed is legitimate both in...
  5. judechild

    Does the Pope Really Aprrove Spanking Children?

    Fine by me if this is your last post, but you if you ever feel like asking yourself "would I ever call hitting a child on the mouth 'spanking on the face'?" it may help you come to a clearer idea of what Francis said; since that would have to be the case, if the very poor translation you...
  6. judechild

    Does the Pope Really Aprrove Spanking Children?

    That'd work if I thought I'd just given you my opinion without justifying it, but since I did, you have no grounds for that silliness. If you want to call what I said a "twisting" of the translation, then you've gone beyond "sticking with the sources" that you trust by actively judging my own...
  7. judechild

    Does the Pope Really Aprrove Spanking Children?

    When was the last time you read a homily by the Pope, Fantine? For that matter, have you been following his general audiences on the family, including the one two weeks ago which was also on fathers, or have you only read part of this one? The Pope has been talking about fathers who must not...
  8. judechild

    Does the Pope Really Aprrove Spanking Children?

    Can't say I understand your problem. I provided an alternative translation in post 23, justified it, was criticized without any substantial justification, and replied to it. My goal on this tread is very simple: provide the groundwork of linguistic communication; I have not commented in the...
  9. judechild

    Does the Pope Really Aprrove Spanking Children?

    The fact of the matter is that "picchiare" is a rather severe word; as I said above colpire is more moderate, and there are several other words that could have been used which would denote single or less-militant action. (Again, picchiare is used to denote what would be translated "beat up" -...
  10. judechild

    Does the Pope Really Aprrove Spanking Children?

    The full text of the Pope's comments is now available here. The relevant paragraph: A good father knows how to wait and knows how to forgive from the depths of his heart. Certainly, he also knows how to correct with firmness: he is not a weak father, submissive and sentimental. The father who...
  11. judechild

    Does the Pope Really Aprrove Spanking Children?

    Pope tells Dads to spend time with their children Vatican Radio It does not contain a full transcript, although I have L'Osservatore Romano in front of me which does contain the Pope relating a story of a father telling him that sometimes he must beat/spank (picchare) his children - "but not...
  12. judechild

    Two cheers for Vatican security

    "The failure to block Marcello di Finizio from his repeated assaults on the dome of St. Peter’s makes me question the efficacy of the security checkpoints at the Vatican basilica." Of course, this is Italy. I'm not joking when I say that efficacy is not the strong-suit here.
  13. judechild

    Formal and informal in the Church

    I do not agree with your assessment on two levels. The first regards language itself, saying that formal language blocks understanding, and the second regarding the Church's language. In the first place, "Formal language" is too broad a term to be useful. Poetry, after all, is formal, and the...
  14. judechild

    Defend the family

    I do not think that my assumptions are unfounded, particularly since you've backtracked a bit from your first post, saying now: "I probably didn't word that well." Do you think that your miscommunication could be at fault? As for "little digs": they are the spice of life on an uninteresting...
  15. judechild

    Defend the family

    I am against the Kasper proposal, it is true; but he does have a number of good insights. His book and Cardinal Muller's interview (The Hope of the Family) are very close in many respects. In fact, if people in the Church would take a number of Kasper's philosophical points - such as that the...
  16. judechild

    Defend the family

    Lovely, then this is the perfect opportunity for you to correct my misunderstanding. What other interpretation should I give to a situation in which I say "Since the petition implicitly counters the so-called Kasper Proposal, I'd suggest reading Cardinal Kasper's book The Gospel of the Family...
  17. judechild

    Defend the family

    That is what Cardinals Kasper, Muller, and Burke are all concerned with. Cardinal Kasper envisions a new network of Catholic families that extends into the extended family and even the neighborhood; he has a whole section on the family as the domestic Church: "Understanding the Church as a...
  18. judechild

    Defend the family

    Yes, it is always much quicker and simpler to follow a crowd than to think, but if you say that you do not agree with the Kasper Proposal without having bothered to examine it then you do not really disagree with it; you're just letting yourself be led by the nose. "To each their own" is a very...
  19. judechild

    Defend the family

    Since the petition implicitly counters the so-called Kasper Proposal, I'd suggest reading Cardinal Kasper's book The Gospel of the Family before you sign. I do believe it is flawed for three particular reasons, but still, it's good to know what you oppose before opposing it. Although, since...
  20. judechild

    Pope weighing expansion of College of Cardinals?

    The problem here is with methodology. In order for this methodology of taking various sundry phrases from the Bible, and using them to construct some time-line to function, it would appear that parts of the Bible have been utterly meaningless for everybody up to those living in the early 21st...