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  1. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    Then I refer you to your post #26 where you responded to my question asking for clarification of your topic. You seem to be vacillating between God being good and God being love. I'm not sure which one you want to argue? Maybe it would be helpful if you gave a distinct definition of what you...
  2. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    Hang on a sec, aren't you moving the goalposts too? I thought you said it's about God loving all equally, not just about God loving all?
  3. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    That's an argument that only confirms death is bad because death is the result of sin. So if sin is bad so is it's result. Stop trying to make what God takes no pleasure in, what scripture calls the last enemy and what is to be thrown in the lake of fire as something good. Read my lips ...
  4. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    If there was no death it would mean there was no sin so being here forever would be a blessing. You sure are going out of your way to try and convince that death is a good thing. You are wasting your breath on this little black duck mate. :)
  5. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    I'm already joined to Christ and neither is in Paradise any longer. Christ has ascended and took the prisoners with Him. You confuse God's ability to bring good out of bad things and what is actually good. Death is not good. If it was, it would not be thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation...
  6. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    No. I don't fear buses either, doesn't mean getting hit by one would be good for me.
  7. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    Ezekiel 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord God. “Therefore turn and live!” Ezekiel 33:11 Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil...
  8. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    We're just going to have to disagree. :)
  9. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    I know, that is what I have been saying. Rejection of God (truth) is evil and that gives birth to sin. James 1:15 I know you are not making a distinction between sin and evil and that's the problem. If you see them as the same then the logical conclusion is that we are born evil and do deserve...
  10. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    Ok, missing the mark is what causes us to miss the mark. Somewhat circular imo but if that is how you wish to understand it. By that standard you must think we are all born evil as well as being born sinners. I wonder then, why did Christ only die for our sin and not for our evil?
  11. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    Well what does the scripture say I showed you? Does it say that sin gives birth to sin or does it say our own desires luring us away from truth give birth to sin? The act of rejecting God is evil, it isn't simply breaking the law. Evil is at the heart of sin. How is one set free from sin? By...
  12. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    No idea how you work that out. The scripture tells us the act of sin results from putting our desires first (Jms.1:15) and in that process we reject God's truth. We see this clearly in the Garden. We are not born rejecting God in our soul. The sin nature resides in the flesh. (Rom.7:23) This is...
  13. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    Sin is the result of rejecting God. When one's own desire is given precedence over the word of God then one will sin. James 1:15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. We are not condemned (to the lake of fire) because we are...
  14. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    The wages of sin is spiritual death not the lake of fire. We are not born into the position of deserving the lake of fire and it was Adam's sin which dragged us all into spiritual death not any of our personal sins. The only way to actually deserve the lake of fire is to reject God and His...
  15. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    I don't believe we can say we "deserve" eternal punishment as it was Adam's sin that brought us into this position. It is true however that even if by some miracle we never committed any personal sin of our own, without God's grace, we would still end up in eternal torment. Ignorance is not an...
  16. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    Aha! Well that is not what I was getting from your OP so I'm glad I persisted in asking. I thought you were trying to say God is not all good. I agree God does not love all equally. "Equally" being the operative word in the equation. We all begin from an equal platform as God loves all in that...
  17. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    Then what is it exactly that you are trying to say?
  18. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    Call it what you will, they were warned of the consequences but that didn't answer my question. Do you think God was wrong in His treatment?
  19. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    So you think God was wrong to discipline His people in the way He did?
  20. sawdust

    For those who argue for the omnibenevolence of God…

    Are you suggesting that harsh discipline is unloving? I'm a bit confused by what you are trying to get across. God is love. I've never seen the problem as God not being love in instances like you quote but rather the problem is our understanding of what love is and it's our understanding that...