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Has someone proposed an example of something that is politically incorrect, but also true? I realize that the examples in the first post are hypothetical, but I'd prefer to have real examples to think about. Ideas?

It depends on the rights and the ends. For instance, I am perfectly happy to see the right of bigots to be openly discriminatory in terms of public accommodation or employment abridged, in the service of making it possible for members of who society who are marginalized and discriminated...

The Intelligent Designer, natch.

<staff edit> Here is the quote in question: The report, by the way, does not tell us anything about the sexual practices of homosexuals. Why not? Because for a survey to have statistical validity, it must use a type of sampling called "probability sampling." In this article, the researcher...

The Fall, right?

The arguments used against same-sex marriage which I elaborated on are identical in logic to those used against interracial marriage. The particular argument you are making right now is somewhat different, though, so let's address that. Irrelevant. The civil institution of marriage is not...

Sexual orientation is definitely physical, in addition to being psychological, but I get your point in terms of framing. :thumbsup:

Except you are making a false distinction. Heterosexuals are able to marry people of their choosing. Homosexuals are not. The argument that, "Neither homosexuals nor heterosexuals are able to marry members of the same sex, hence it is not discriminatory," is identical to the argument used for...

So I've read through the thread. What is the problem with homosexuality, again? Pretend for a moment that we are not Christians - gasp - and that even if God does clearly condemn homosexuality, we can't quite bring ourselves to care, or we are Christians who are unconvinced that...

If what is stated in this paragraph is the gist of your argument, it is a weak one. The argument we are using is not that "Interracial marriage is okay, gays are a race, therefore gay marriage is okay," hence the first assertion you make, that "Gays are not a race" is an irrelevant observation...

Past tense. He is Christian now.

Congratulations - you've just won the thread. :congratm:

When you say "anti-social behavior," what do you mean?

So you don't think that the legalization of incestuous marriage would imply an increase in social acceptability, and possibly an increase in incestuous marriages / procreation more generally? If you don't accept that premise, I understand the difference of opinion.

After "Teabagging Parties" and "2M4M" initiatives, nothing surprises me from movement conservatives. :P

Precisely. The assumption is that he isn't actually a homosexual; he is a heterosexual who has been tricked / seduced / manipulated into that "lifestyle," and if he would turn back towards God and ask for healing and forgiveness, he'll make the gay go away and make him straight again.

^_^ As for the topic itself - I saw this a few weeks ago, before 4chan decided to make his life horrible. Ironic, considering 4chan's views on homosexuals, but I digress. It really is a bit sad - he was obviously completely unprepared to handle what he's getting into, and he doesn't seem...

Sure. You're missing the point, though. I wasn't staking a claim with the numbers; they were the impression of what I thought was realistic. If that's untrue, I'll accept it and move on... but you aren't really being clear as to what it is that is problematic. If it is simply that I was...

Technically speaking, in most creation myths, there is a narrative of moving from the least complex to the most complex lifeforms (in the eyes of the narrative), so clearly by having Eve created last, it was to signify that woman was the highest form of creation. Or you could note the fact that...

Oh, there is a gay community.