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It wasn't so long ago that Bush had anybody who disagreed with him expelled from his town hall meetings... and people weren't even being violent then!

Indeed, I would have no problem accepting both (if I didn't know the recent temperature in Europe). Of course, I should point out that the top graph might not be global temperature either, the label is only "temperature anomaly." I suspect it refers to a value based on either ice core data or...

Seriously, read your sources for comprehension! They don't collect data themselves, they search through other scientists' work and pick out the bits that agrees with their stated assumption -- that the warm period was warmer and longer than "alarmists" think.

Cosmic rays make clouds? Now why don't I believe you have experimental data showing that? Of course you can make the satellite data support the hypothesis if you apply an arbitrary "correction." http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11651

Do you understand what a Bell curve is? I don't think that term means what you think it means. And by all means -- show not how radiation can create nucleation sites but how it DOES and with a significant effect in the atmosphere. Also, you might show even ONE reason why I should take your...

Lol -- you throw up a politically partisan "institute" as evidence? I might also note that they didn't collect any data... Sure, denialists like to make pretty charts, but how many are drilling ice cores, counting tree rings or examining varves? Again, "your side" doesn't generally collect...

Are you claiming that a website ABOUT collecting proxy data is the same as actually COLLECTING proxy data? You said there was "proxy data from both sides." But only one side is actually doing any science and actually collecting data.

Meh, the sunspot activity isn't really the point here. It's greatclouds' plagiarized articles' claims that "The event is significant as many climatologists now believe solar magnetic activity – which determines the number of sunspots -- is an influencing factor for climate on earth." I...

You know, you could always TELL us what you believe instead of copy/pasting other peoples' work. Then we could... you know... DISCUSS climate models rather than repeatedly showing you why your favorite websites' claims are bogus. Just a thought. And I'm still waiting for a model for HOW...

.. Now you're spamming predictions from the farmer's almanac... Are you seriously claiming that a single relatively cool year due to la nina is evidence that climate scientists are wrong? You DO realize that climate models don't predict yearly temperature variation right?

You don't have any idea what sunspots are do you? Apart from the obvious nonsense (the sun isn't black...) sunspots are actually quite cool at around 1000 K less than the rest of the surface. Of course radiative output will be low since we're at the low point of the cycle. Why you think...

Are you STILL obsessed with these one-year predictions? It's always, "well, if it gets cooler THIS year, then global warming has stopped forever." How about we look at the last DECADE? Or in this case, look at the VOLUME of ice at the pole (even though la nina has slightly increased...

As many people have pointed out in the past, water vapor is indeed a 'greenhouse gas' in that it strongly absorbs in many wavelengths that are emitted by the Earth. Some people go further to claim that because water vapor absorbs more strongly than CO2, models based on CO2 and other greenhouse...

Lol. Apparently you ignored me the last two times I told you (in other threads) that these numbers cannot be compared. The estimates from 1970-1980 were based on reports from polar explorers. Current estimates are based on much more thorough scientific surveys. Can you guess why reports from...

I'll start by saying you should check out http://www.realclimate.org It's an amazing blog by climate scientists around the world. It discusses current research, media coverage, denialist claims etc. in great detail. For example, when some researchers claimed that their model showed that the...

Oh, I've been "discussing" it for days now -- you just ignore any scientific challenges to your favorite op-eds and go ahead and post another one! Sure, you MIGHT understand what you're posting, but as long as you refuse to show it by discussing (rather than cutting and pasting) you sure...

Slight correction -- the "temperature variance" is probably referring to difference in global temperature related to a specific year. I have never seen a "derivative of temperature" graph and if one existed, the units would not be in temperature. You might be right, but I doubt it...

Sad really! Although as I understand it, the last theoretically possible mass for the Higgs boson is just over the sensitivity of the LHC so no detection won't be TOTALLY definitive. Actually, what would be REALLY sad is if the LHC detected the Higgs boson, but came up with absolutely...

Lol! Show from el nino (unusually warm) to la nina (unusually cool) and claim there's a long-term global trend! The depths of this type of denialist dishonesty always amazes me.