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  1. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    Ephesians 3:21 :: to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen. Yours truly in Christ, sojourner
  2. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    It says all generations. Why do you find the need to qualify that? Is it because that's the only way you can make it fit into your beliefs? Yours truly in Christ, sojourner
  3. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    The Bible states that God will be glorified in the Church throughout all generations. That couldn't have happened if the Church needed to be restored. Yours truly in Christ, sojourner
  4. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    Sounds like you have a relativistic worldview. If God can be different things to different people, you have a flood of self-contradictory nonsense - not beliefs worth sharing and defending. Yours truly in Christ, sojourner
  5. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    I never mentioned Calvin so not sure why you're bringing him into this. If you're familiar with the teachings of Mormonism and you've been following the discussion, I do not see why you would have an issue with what I said. Yours truly in Christ, sojourner
  6. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    Whether you are consistent with your own theology is not my problem. Your teaching makes room for boasting. That's the point. So you think the Roman Catholic Church wrote what is codified in the Codex Vaticanus? I know very well who the Holy Spirit is. Yours truly in Christ, sojourner
  7. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    I believe I was pretty clear. Anyone who knows anything about LDS doctrine would've been able to understand what I said. Perhaps you need to educate yourself instead of railing accusations against others. Yours truly in Christ, sojourner
  8. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    Naturally, one cannot understand the things of God. They're spiritually discerned. One must be born again by the Spirit of God before they can understand the things of God and God does this by His sovereign choice. If God is waiting for men & women to choose, of themselves, to understand these...
  9. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    The context is water baptism. The verse you quoted to somehow reprove what I said refers to water baptism. So while you didn't say water baptism, the passages you used did. And I showed you how the passages you used don't hint that water baptism is part of the gospel. Yours truly in Christ...
  10. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    Not sure why you are bringing Roman Catholicism into this since their soteriology has nothing in common with what I've been saying, in fact it's antithetical to everything I've been saying. Do I "sit and wait"? Um, no. I do what is expected of me - howbeit imperfectly. That's true of...
  11. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    I'm sorry if you think the Bible isn't consistent in its message of salvation. The baptism spoken of in Matthew isn't the baptism of the Holy Spirit since Jesus calls upon men to carry out such baptisms. Baptism of the Holy Spirit is something God does, not man. So trying to change that around...
  12. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    Jesus' work isn't our work. It's His. And we're saved by His work, not our or anyone else's work. If Jesus' work isn't sufficient to save, what is? His alone was perfect. Yours truly in Christ, sojourner
  13. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    This one: 1 Corinthians 1:17 - For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. Baptism is a response to the gospel, not a part of it. The gospel is good news. The good news is that we...
  14. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    Yet baptism is not part of the gospel. Strange. Yours truly in Christ, sojourner
  15. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    Following Christ is a fruit of salvation, not the cause of it. Paul speaks of having a righteousness not of our own, but here you're talking about having our own righteousness. Someone has to be wrong. It's either you or Paul. And speaking of following Christ and His commandments, you aren't...
  16. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    Promises which find their fulfillment in Christ. So what's lacking here? Christ is everything. If you have faith in Him, what are you lacking? His righteousness isn't sufficient? Yours truly in Christ, sojourner
  17. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    Then why does 2 Corinthians 1:20 say what it says? For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory. Yours truly in Christ, sojourner
  18. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    I was wondering when you were going to try to equivocate your way through this. When I'm referring to Jesus being the Savior, I am not referring to general salvation (i.e., universal resurrection). I'm talking about salvation that includes everything God has promised to His people (i.e...
  19. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    I just asked a simple question. Is Jesus alone sufficient to save to the uttermost those who place their faith in Him? Is He the Savior? Is His atonement efficacious? Yours truly in Christ, sojourner
  20. s0journ3r

    It is a fact that the mormons made the same mistake the JW's did..

    So those are lists of things that one needs in addition to Christ? In other words, it's your argument that Jesus alone is not sufficient to be the Savior of anyone? Yours truly in Christ, sojourner