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I grew up on that doctrine Newsong.

No the bible says that tongues is a sign to UNBELIEVERS. And if you read the events where tongues was made manifest you will see that there were usually Jews present who sought after signs. Even in Cornelius' case, Paul witnessed the tongues manifestation and told the JEWS about a GENTILE...

inside out rather than outside in.

And tongues is the only miracle? What you're saying stands with the scripture about tongues being a sign of the UNBELIVER. So yes...tongues was a sign to those around of the work of God - especially the unbelieving Jews of the time. But tongues is not a sign to those who already believe. You...

Ok on one hand I see what you're saying but on the other hand I think you need to understand something. There is nothing whatsoever on this earth that can make us pure on the outside. Nothing! The purity comes from within - in Christ.

How can it be faith if one needs a 'sign'? What kind of faith is that? Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the EVIDENCE of things UNSEEN. Faith is your evidence/sign - not tongues! They did receive the same - they received the HOly Spirit. True faith doesn't require signs...

Ha haaaaaa good point! Yes I do admit that I can get fiesty whilst debating myself.

Hey I'm glad you're learning something from me - it's interesting. Debate is how I learn too.

No because I believe the power is given automatically at conversion. What I think happens is that people don't 'realise' that they have the power and then when they are seen to be 'endued' with power they think that it's the baptism of the HOly Spirit - when it's not. It's just that they have...

Did you find the vacuum cleaner head?

Will do!

Coming down with something cough ;)

Faith! Faith being the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen. If you don't believe that God was true to his word until you see evidence then that's not faith!

I agree with you here - it's just that I don't agree that tongues is the only evidence or that people must speak in tongues to be saved.

Ok well that's all fine and everything and you are free to have your opinion. I believe that paul was talking about one baptism. YOu can say it was referring to water baptism but then it wouldn't be ONE baptism would it? But two! Because you'd have the water baptism and the spiritual baptism...

Yes but only because the outpouring hadn't happened until pentecost. They were told to wait for the power from on high because it wasn't available yet. Do you think that if it was available at the time Jesus breathed on them that they would have had the power straight away? I do. But it...

Yes but couldn't it have been the case of you not knowing or realising that you have the power from on high until later?

*cough*

Yes but that's because of the transitional period of the time. The news of the outpouring took a while to get around so although they had the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them - they were not yet 'filled' because until the day of pentecost - no one was. It would have taken time for the...

No one is disputing that tongues is a sign. What we are saying is that they are a sign to the UNBELIEVER not the believer. So yes those 3000 were pricked because of tongues but that's the whole point of tongues was to be a sign to the unbelievers. It doesn't say that every single saved person...