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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    Incorrect, The text refers to both carved likenesses, and icons. Note the comma after "carved likeness", that is also found in the Lexham Greek English Interlinear: 16 lest ye transgress, and make to yourselves a carved likeness, γλυπτὸ&#957...
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    question about reward and punishment for born again Christians?

    Our LORD taught: 27 "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. (Mat 16:27 NKJ) 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    St John of Damascus' interpretation equivocates and therefore is unsound; Although "form" in Deu 4:15 is Christ's infinite boundless form in which He appears in heaven to angels, and we still haven't seen that so Christ's prohibition remains, St. John concluded from our seeing Christ's "form of...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    Can you cite one commentary that agrees with you? I bet not. But lots support the plain sense of the context: 15–19 A detailed warning against the dangers of idolatry. The principle is stated first4 and then it is followed by a detailed application. The principle is that when the...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    Vs 15 implies "of God" for the prohibition is predicated upon not seeing His form. 15 And take good heed to your hearts, for ye saw no likeness ὅτι οὐκ εἴδετε ὁμοίωμα in the day in...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    Another straw man, any image OF GOD, not "any image." Try again. And the Word specifically forbade any icon likeness of Himself as male or female, contradicting completely John of Damascus' argument.
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    I do not say veneration is worship, I acknowledge there is a difference. So its not my argument at all. That is a straw man easily bested. This is my argument: I argue Deu 4:14-16 is Christ speaking via Moses' memory (1 Cor 10:4), and therefore the prohibition against every icon likeness of...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    Regardless how different, they are analogous in both show an attitude toward an image which is passed over to a prototype. As for Ark, older commentators said this: The question why Uzzah should be smitten was not a puzzle to the older commentators, so much as the question why everybody else...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    When logically debating an issue, analogies are necessary. What is analogous to veneration if not worship? Both are respect, both are an attitude of one towards another. We can't use water, or fire, or stones, as analogies to veneration, can we? So we must compare the analogy evident between...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    Your Conclusion: If the man of perdition is a human, then he is, as Scripture states, an Icon of God. The Icon may have been perverted, but every man is an Icon of God. Failed to acknowledge God rejects worship given to the antichrist, it is NOT passed over to Him. That renders the rest of...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    And when the man of sin sits in the Temple of God, is that something God approves of? 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    You have won. The art is like Orthodox icons, and therefore should be utterly destroyed by fire.
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    Sculleywr:God IS a jealous God. He also COMMANDS images to be made in the Temple, and therefore in the Church. With the same typology Paul drew the precise opposite conclusion, as God requires the exclusive devotion of His people they must cleanse themselves of all defilement, and distraction...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God 4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    You have won. The art is like Orthodox icons, and therefore should be utterly destroyed by fire.
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    See reply 69 above this, it also answers you argument.
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    Its precisely because Jesus is God that making every icon likeness of Him is a denial He is God. If the Orthodox didn't insist they are imaging the divine via a monophysite icon, then pictures etc of Jesus would be acceptable. One could use them in illustrations in text books etc. But that is...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    Single tongue. The artwork I have is NOT thought to be a likeness of God, neither is it venerated as though anything given to it, in effect goes to the prototype. There is no prototype, its simple artwork of a scene taken from the book of Revelation. But as you folks point to it at every turn...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    If we allow scripture inform us, then Jealously is why God rejects even the most innocuous images. Because of God's jealousy, it is impossible: "veneration accorded to an icon is in effect transmitted to the prototype; he who venerates the icon, venerated in it the reality for which it...
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    Trinitarian Truth Contradicts John of Damascus re Deuteronomy 4:16

    That is irrelevant as "every icon likeness", necessarily includes "abstract symbolic non-realistic" representation. When such is said to image God, regardless how indirect it is, it still violates the plain prohibition of Deu 4:14ff. And how these icons are treated, parallels how idols are...