America is about to enter 4 years of turmoil..

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Whoever is elected president, I predict that America will enter into four years of turmoil. The passions stirred up in this election have revealed an America more divided than before, and the divisions are bound to get worse. Racial divisions are at a boiling point. Class divisions are brewing. Educational disparities are obvious...

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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2016/10/america-there-may-be-trouble-ahead.html
hmmm, sounds like fun! (not)
it also sounds like we've got a lot of hard work ahead of us.
 
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"To accept the things I cannot change and have the courage to change the things I can." We can work for justice in our world without looking at it as an excuse for failure. Instead of an excuse it is a challenge to us all personally and collectively.

Part of achieving is finding the right conditions--or making them..

Yes, we can accept a basic premise of life--that life isn't fair. We can accept another basic premise of life--that part of our purpose on earth is to make life fairer--not only for ourselves and our own families, but for others. Acceptance doesn't mean acquiescence.

Fr. Longnecker's essay reminded me of the advice Job's wife gave to him when he was suffering:

And his wife said to him: Dost thou still continue in thy simplicity? bless God and die. Job 2:9

We can make the world a better place for all. That's the liberal way!
 
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Whoever is elected president, I predict that America will enter into four years of turmoil. The passions stirred up in this election have revealed an America more divided than before, and the divisions are bound to get worse. Racial divisions are at a boiling point. Class divisions are brewing.
The communists are to blame for starting race riots and other divisions.

"The preachers of Communism are also proficient in exploiting racial antagonisms and political divisions and oppositions." - Pope Pius, XI, Divini Redemptoris
 
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Whoever is elected president, I predict that America will enter into four years of turmoil. The passions stirred up in this election have revealed an America more divided than before, and the divisions are bound to get worse. Racial divisions are at a boiling point. Class divisions are brewing. Educational disparities are obvious...

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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2016/10/america-there-may-be-trouble-ahead.html
It would be nice if "certain people" stopped doing their level best to emphasize the divisions for their own political benefit.
 
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Whoever is elected president, I predict that America will enter into four years of turmoil. The passions stirred up in this election have revealed an America more divided than before, and the divisions are bound to get worse. Racial divisions are at a boiling point. Class divisions are brewing. Educational disparities are obvious...

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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2016/10/america-there-may-be-trouble-ahead.html
Then why are you perpetuating the potential instead of helping? As a Christian you couldn't possibly be hoping for any type of self-fulfilling prediction. Could you, knowing Jesus implied we should be peacemakers among men, instead of stirring up trouble or participating in it. There's nothing wrong with bringing attention to something that is wrong....so it can be effectively addressed in order to heal. There IS something wrong with not bothering with even the barest attempt at trying to be a peacemaker. Singling out others "different from you" is no way to be a peacemaker among men. Are you hoping to be a trouble stirrer, or a physician? Should we be asking the Lord to show us the difference, and to forgive and heal us... first?

In the past two years, I've seen more calls (and action) from Hillary Clinton for unity among Americans to work together to solve our problems, than even once out of Donald Trump. (Instead, he seems to create even more turmoil, almost feeding off the negativity.) The spiritual path has never been mentioned by either candidate. While Congress does, neither one begins their rallies with even the barest of acknowledgement of God through prayer.

We were already having turmoil. Where are the calls for unity coming from Christians? Strangely silent. Are we to believe that unbelievers care and do more about unity among humanity than we should? If so, don't complain or condemn about how they go about fostering that unity--without religion, without the love of Jesus Christ going before it. We know human-based unity cannot last, yet we still do nothing except sideline ourselves or even join "sides"?

Where are our personal responsibilities here, as Christians, in the eyes of God? How can we be effective in healing where it is needed? Where is the question that asks that? Please point it out to me, because perhaps I've missed it? Our silence of safety will ultimately condemn us, not absolve us.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God. (Matt 5:9)

Lord, make me an instrument of thy peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
Where there is sadness, joy.

O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek
To be consoled as to console,
To be understood as to understand,
To be loved as to love;
For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
It is in dying to self that we are born to eternal life.
--St. Francis
 
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Then why are you perpetuating the potential instead of helping? As a Christian you couldn't possibly be hoping for any type of self-fulfilling prediction. Could you, knowing Jesus implied we should be peacemakers among men, instead of stirring up trouble or participating in it. There's nothing wrong with bringing attention to something that is wrong....so it can be effectively addressed in order to heal. There IS something wrong with not bothering with even the barest attempt at trying to be a peacemaker. Singling out others "different from you" is no way to be a peacemaker among men. Are you hoping to be a trouble stirrer, or a physician? Should we be asking the Lord to show us the difference, and to forgive and heal us... first?

In the past two years, I've seen more calls (and action) from Hillary Clinton for unity among Americans to work together to solve our problems, than even once out of Donald Trump. (Instead, he seems to create even more turmoil, almost feeding off the negativity.) The spiritual path has never been mentioned by either candidate. While Congress does, neither one begins their rallies with even the barest of acknowledgement of God through prayer.

We were already having turmoil. Where are the calls for unity coming from Christians? Strangely silent. Are we to believe that unbelievers care and do more about unity among humanity than we should? If so, don't complain or condemn about how they go about fostering that unity--without religion, without the love of Jesus Christ going before it. We know human-based unity cannot last, yet we still do nothing except sideline ourselves or even join "sides"?

Where are our personal responsibilities here, as Christians, in the eyes of God? How can we be effective in healing where it is needed? Where is the question that asks that? Please point it out to me, because perhaps I've missed it? Our silence of safety will ultimately condemn us, not absolve us.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God. (Matt 5:9)

Lord, make me an instrument of thy peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
Where there is sadness, joy.

O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek
To be consoled as to console,
To be understood as to understand,
To be loved as to love;
For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
It is in dying to self that we are born to eternal life.
--St. Francis
Maybe you should read the article and ask the author.
 
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The communists are to blame for starting race riots and other divisions.

"The preachers of Communism are also proficient in exploiting racial antagonisms and political divisions and oppositions." - Pope Pius, XI, Divini Redemptoris
Communists! I knew it was them!

Seriously, once someone says something you're just happy to apply it to any situation and any time , aren't you? They had racial problems before communism, did you know?
 
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Communists! I knew it was them!

It's always them. I mean, it's not heads of state who are nationalizing industry in their countries, stifling the press, intimidating their neighbors, bringing back cold-war nuclear sabre rattling and building programs, and assassinating political rivals. Not that kind of communists. We need to focus on the kind of communists who are turning government controlled industry back into private hands (see GM) and presiding over an ever growing private sector. You know, people who aren't communists at all but whom we can sinfully and shamefully label as we will while completely ignoring the commie tendencies of our political allies.
 
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What precisely do you consider a "communist" in the US? Maybe that might clear up our bafflement as to why you are blaming "communists" for the all too common sins of man's inhumanity against man.
The tree can be known by its fruit.
 
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The tree can be known by its fruit.

This might win the non-answer of the year. Communism is a specific thing the specific results would need to be advocated for or achieved in order for it to be communism. Without those things, it isn't Communism but something else.
 
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This might win the non-answer of the year.

My pledge to every poster here is that I will try to be a decent, honest man and my participation will be consistent with an interest in sincere dialogue. I will not cower away from direct questions and welcome opportunities to make myself clear, even if it requires vulnerability on my part. If anyone ever witnesses contrary behavior in me, please call me on it. That is not the man I want to be and I welcome opportunities for growth.

Communism is a specific thing the specific results would need to be advocated for or achieved in order for it to be communism. Without those things, it isn't Communism but something else.

You're absolutely correct.
 
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The tree can be known by its fruit.
That could essentially be considered a non-answer. Man's inhumanity against man is inherent in every human, not just a certain group who are more evil than the next. Is "communist" one of those catch-all phrases to your thinking? I still don't get it. I'm simply trying to understand where you are coming from.

We all assess fruit differently.
 
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Then why are you perpetuating the potential instead of helping? As a Christian you couldn't possibly be hoping for any type of self-fulfilling prediction. Could you, knowing Jesus implied we should be peacemakers among men, instead of stirring up trouble or participating in it. There's nothing wrong with bringing attention to something that is wrong....so it can be effectively addressed in order to heal. There IS something wrong with not bothering with even the barest attempt at trying to be a peacemaker. Singling out others "different from you" is no way to be a peacemaker among men. Are you hoping to be a trouble stirrer, or a physician? Should we be asking the Lord to show us the difference, and to forgive and heal us... first?

In the past two years, I've seen more calls (and action) from Hillary Clinton for unity among Americans to work together to solve our problems, than even once out of Donald Trump. (Instead, he seems to create even more turmoil, almost feeding off the negativity.) The spiritual path has never been mentioned by either candidate. While Congress does, neither one begins their rallies with even the barest of acknowledgement of God through prayer.

We were already having turmoil. Where are the calls for unity coming from Christians? Strangely silent. Are we to believe that unbelievers care and do more about unity among humanity than we should? If so, don't complain or condemn about how they go about fostering that unity--without religion, without the love of Jesus Christ going before it. We know human-based unity cannot last, yet we still do nothing except sideline ourselves or even join "sides"?

Where are our personal responsibilities here, as Christians, in the eyes of God? How can we be effective in healing where it is needed? Where is the question that asks that? Please point it out to me, because perhaps I've missed it? Our silence of safety will ultimately condemn us, not absolve us.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God. (Matt 5:9)

Lord, make me an instrument of thy peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
Where there is sadness, joy.

O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek
To be consoled as to console,
To be understood as to understand,
To be loved as to love;
For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
It is in dying to self that we are born to eternal life.
--St. Francis

all i can say is you're in the wrong century.
the time for peacemakers and unity is past.
 
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That could essentially be considered a non-answer. Man's inhumanity against man is inherent in every human, not just a certain group who are more evil than the next. Is "communist" one of those catch-all phrases to your thinking? I still don't get it. I'm simply trying to understand where you are coming from.

We all assess fruit differently.
apparently we do.
 
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