What is sin?

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Sicut cervus desiderat ad fontes aquarum, ita desiderat anima mea ad te, Deus.
Like as the hart desireth the water-brooks: so longeth my soul after thee, O God.


At this point I'd like to provide some preliminary comments regarding my views on the subject and my impressions about the various ideas I've been exposed to. While I fully intend to perform some extended exegesis (i.e. attempts at biblical interpretation), I'm sure that would fill up enough space to warrant it's own post, and before I "show all my cards" I would simply like to see how some of you think and how you respond to me ideas here.

-Let me start with the idea of sin as I've been exposed to it amongst other Christians. Almost invariably their perceptions of it have come off looking like sin is behavioral, that it is practically as if God thinks of sin aesthetically and He doesn't countenance it because it's "yucky" to Him. I've been told not to think overly much of it by the droves and droves of anti-intellectual Christians out there because my curiosity in this area must be somehow detrimental to my faith, and we need to have a child-like relationship with God.

Well I'm just not satisfied at all with these attitudes. God doesn't consider sin hubris because it's merely an ice cream flavor He doesn't like. That God wants us to relate to Him like a child doesn't mean that He expects us not to use our rational capacity, after all He designed us to have a rational capacity and it is a beautiful thing because it reflects the Creator.

We are to humble ourselves before Him and trust Him like a child. If when Jesus taught His disciples to be like a child there were actually anti-intellectual overtones involved, then one would expect the Bible not to be a repository of the grandest philosophical sentiments, and the very height of artistic mastery with it's poems, psalms, and hymns.

-Okay, so what do I believe I've learned about the nature of sin?

In my studies I've been lead to think that hamartiology, theodicy, and biblical anthropology are deeply interrelated so in any discussion of one of three I'm bound to bring up aspects of the others. Given this kind of study I have arrived over time at the provisional conclusion (after all there is no perfectly apt or descriptive piece of theology, as God is infinite and hence inscrutable, and we are mere creatures) that sin is actually, for lack of a better way to put it, an insidious kind of mental illness.

How is this so? Well, to start with God created us in His Image. God's self love being the most profound and beautiful thing of all, it is only natural that He would create something like Him and love it inasmuch as it is like Him. I understand the Image to be our capacity for profound thought.

What happened then during the Fall? We distorted the Image itself, lessening our likeness to God and hence alienating us from Him. Sin, being any distortion of the Image, is an influence that confuses, and the reason it separates us from God is it alienates us from Him and feeds us false perceptions about His nature and our own nature.

Jesus, with His repeated references to the inside of the cup and how sinful thoughts proceed from our innermost being resulting in sinful behavior, has every appearance of suggesting with such teaching that sin itself is something within, and not something behavioral. When we act sinfully we are expressing problematic developments within the heart, we are displaying symptoms of a grave illness.
 

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That's actually not far off at all, I would say. :)

Sin (hamartia) is missing the mark. The "mark" is our goal of being like Christ. So every little way in which we deviate from that, is technically sin.

Many seem to define sin as "breaking the law" but that is only gross sin. Scripture says that if we know a good thing to do, and don't do it, we are sinning. Well, it's not against the law to fail to do good. But it does fall short of Christ.

And I think it's safe to say that mankind is in a state of illness, and that illness is our fallen state, being unlike God, not the way He created us to be in His image and likeness.
 
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That's actually not far off at all, I would say. :)

Sin (hamartia) is missing the mark. The "mark" is our goal of being like Christ. So every little way in which we deviate from that, is technically sin.

Many seem to define sin as "breaking the law" but that is only gross sin. Scripture says that if we know a good thing to do, and don't do it, we are sinning. Well, it's not against the law to fail to do good. But it does fall short of Christ.

And I think it's safe to say that mankind is in a state of illness, and that illness is our fallen state, being unlike God, not the way He created us to be in His image and likeness.

I like the "missing the mark" metaphor, because it implies one is actually attempting to take aim. There's a terribly underplayed concept in the Bible called "death", which doesn't refer to physical negation but rather spiritual negation. To be "dead" is actually a state that precedes your ability to sin. Sin itself causes death, and from this state of death through grace you have the possibility (by your own volition) to come back to life, and it's how you respond to this possibility that determines your status as sinner or faithful (faith being the opposite of sin).

The existentialist Christian novelist Walker Percy has a haunting passage where he describes his friends as celebrating that they're sinning, not in some perverted way where they're rubbing it in God's face, but because their being able to sin indicates that they're not quite dead, that there's some iota of spiritual stuff that they're snuffing out through sinning but which nonetheless indicates that they're alive at some level.

Spiritual death is what Kierkegaard called spiritlessness, a backwater state where you move along in your life without really willing anything. Spirit is not simply that which is synonymous with the will or the heart in the Bible, but also the relational faculty that puts us in connection with God through his direction. I have a spirit insofar as I follow God's will; I sin insofar as I rebel against it; I'm spiritually dead insofar as I don't even notice it at all. Which is why Paul speaks of God "giving them over" to their own sinfulness in Romans 1. This isn't meant to be seen as a permanent state; we're all capable of being "given over" to our own sinfulness, which yields death, meaning we lose connection with and direction from God.

So sin is missing the mark, but this implies that you're aiming. The dead are those who no longer aim, and through grace they're provided a target at which to aim, which in fulfilling they're faithful and in not fulfilling they're sinning, yielding death.

But what is the mark in daily life? Simply the commands God has for us throughout the day -- very concrete ones that go above and beyond ethical dilemmas. How should I act this very moment? Preconsciously or consciously we live according to a hidden law established by God which in fulfilling makes us the person we are in our particularity. This is the mark that in missing we sin.

IMHO, you know.
 
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Sin is a transgression from the law, a separation from God's holiness.
Sin is a negative nature that causes people to commit bad habits, addictions
and choices. God gave us freewill, so we can choose what's right from wrong
and choose what we want to do. Ever since Man disobeyed God, the world was cursed
under sin, in the bible says that Devil came down to deceive the earth like a roaring lion.
 
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I like the "missing the mark" metaphor, because it implies one is actually attempting to take aim.

Thank you.

But it's not my metaphor, rather simply the actual meaning in Greek (their metaphor, I suppose. ;) )I go to a Greek Church, so it tends to be part of how we approach things.
 
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Thank you.

But it's not my metaphor, rather simply the actual meaning in Greek (their metaphor, I suppose. ;) )I go to a Greek Church, so it tends to be part of how we approach things.

It's actually the literal definition for the word translated sin in the New Testament:

Sin (G266 ἁμαρτία hamartia), is, lit., "a missing of the mark," but this etymological meaning is largely lost sight of in the NT. It is the most comprehensive term for moral obliquity...a governing principle or power, e.g., Rom 6:6; "(the body) of sin," here "sin" is spoken of as an organized power, acting through the members of the body, though the seat of "sin" is in the will (the body is the organic instrument); in the next clause, and in other passages, as follows, this governing principle is personified, e.g., Rom 5:21; 6:12, 14, 17; 7:11, 14, 17, 20, 23, 25; 8:2; 1Cr 15:56; Hbr 3:13; 11:25; 12:4; Jam 1:15 (Vines Dictionary)
If you look it up in a lexicon dictionary like Vines there is a pretty elaborate definition. It's used both as a noun and a verb, a condition and an act. We are sinners in both senses.

Grace and peace,
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When I was unsaved I never thought of God. After I was saved I worry if I might sin? If I do then ask forgiveness and receive it. Can I get over this worry I have for I might sin? name-one
Hello nameone, and welcome to CF!

Remember that John writes that if we are in Christ, we will not habitually live a life of sin. But he also said that if we do sin, we confess our sins, and God is faithful and just to forgive us. :)

The truth is, "sin" is not "breaking a rule". Rather, sin is "missing the mark". And the mark is Christ. We all fall short. When we begin a life of faith, God helps us learn to hate gross sins and we stop doing those. But then one day we suddenly realize that our thought of anger against someone is unloving, and so "misses the mark". We might have done it a thousand times since we came to Christ, while we were learning to avoid other sins, but now this one has suddenly come to our awareness. We confess it, and God forgives us. In our particular Tradition (the Orthodox Church) we have many particular tools to teach us how not to sin. One might be (in this example) that we might need to learn to see others as they are - beloved by God. Or we might need to learn to understand their struggles and learn to think of them as better than ourselves so we don't rise up in unloving anger.

It's a long, long process for most of us, learning to be like Christ. The important thing is to learn to be honest with yourself, admit your shortcomings, repent and ask forgveness, and get back up and keep trying. It is easier with guidance and tools the Church offers. But this is our lifelong process of being made, glory to glory, into the image of Christ.

It is not cause for fear or worry. God has promised to forgive. But it does show us what our spiritual work in life ought to be.

Again, welcome to CF. God be with you. :)
 
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Sin is rebelliousness against God.

Ever heard the chorus of Rage Against the Machine's "Killing in the name of"? That's sin (and I will not be linking to it here!).

Ever noticed the lyrics of SINatra's "My Way"? That's sin too (although spelled out in a less offensive manner).

Both of those songs encompass what Sin is about; the basic idea that I know better than God. Pride, vanity, conceit, the very nature of Satan himself.

There in is the great secret so often unspeakable today; in this world you are either a temple to the Holy Spirit or a Temple to Satan. The former is salvation and the latter is Sin.
 
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Is it possible that God knows I sinned and he tells me I sinned? I have dementia and sometimes cannot remember words and thoughts. I have asked him to remind me that I sinned? name one

God bless you!

When I become aware that I have just sinned - the moment I feel irritation in myself when someone cuts me off in traffic, or whatever - I try always to immediately confess to God and ask forgiveness. At the end of each day, as part of my evening prayers, I examine myself and my day, and try to bring to mind any sins, in order to confess and ask forgiveness from God. I often forget this or that. In our Tradition, we have the benefit of being able to go for sacramental confession, and again, I try to remember my sins since the last time but I always forget some instances.

I think it is more important to be honest before God, willing to admit any sin, not trying to argue your way out if it or justify with reasons why it "wasn't really sin", be willing to give everything over to God, repent, and humbly ask for His forgveness and mercy. That is what matters - one's heart. Not being able to perfectly recite every single sin. The truth is, we sin without knowing it, because we should be growing in sensitivity to sin, growing in holiness, and what we confess today, we might not have recognized at sin two years ago.

It's ok to confess as completely as you can, just not making excuses and not holding anything back, and then ask God to forgive all of those, as well as any you might have forgotten or might not have recognized.

God is not a strict legalist, looking for reasons to condemn us. Thankfully! Otherwise, none could possibly stand before Him.
 
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I like the "missing the mark" metaphor, because it implies one is actually attempting to take aim.

In Hebrew, chata'ah (sin) is usually defined as missing the mark. But those that really understand Hebrew will agree, what I am about to share is more accurate.

Imagine an archer and a target. The archer "always" desires to hit the target. However, being imperfect, from time to time despite his best effort, he will simply miss. When he does, he reloaded and tries again to hit that target. Hit or miss, his aim is ALWAYS at the target.

Now the target of course is the righteousness of God and I would respectfully disagree with Anastasia in saying, "Many seem to define sin as "breaking the law" but that is only gross sin." 1 John 3:4 actually says that sin is "anomia," being without law, outside the law, or in some translations, "breaking commandments." If the target is God's righteousness (look up righteousness in new and old dictionaries) and we miss, we have sinned. But it was "unintentional" and that is the point. The next level of "sin" in Hebrew is...

Avon - which is the same archer, same target and same desire. However, at this point the archer gets caught up in an emotion and temporarily aims at the wrong target. Once he comes to his senses he repents and begins to aim at the proper target again. The last level of "sin" is....

Pesha - which is rebellion, that is gross sin. Pesha is the archer who KNOWS the target God desires for us to hit and he "deliberately" goes after another target in spite.

I hope that helps a little, I know it did help me when I first learned it. Blessings.
 
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God bless you!

When I become aware that I have just sinned - the moment I feel irritation in myself when someone cuts me off in traffic, or whatever - I try always to immediately confess to God and ask forgiveness. At the end of each day, as part of my evening prayers, I examine myself and my day, and try to bring to mind any sins, in order to confess and ask forgiveness from God. I often forget this or that. In our Tradition, we have the benefit of being able to go for sacramental confession, and again, I try to remember my sins since the last time but I always forget some instances.

I think it is more important to be honest before God, willing to admit any sin, not trying to argue your way out if it or justify with reasons why it "wasn't really sin", be willing to give everything over to God, repent, and humbly ask for His forgveness and mercy. That is what matters - one's heart. Not being able to perfectly recite every single sin. The truth is, we sin without knowing it, because we should be growing in sensitivity to sin, growing in holiness, and what we confess today, we might not have recognized at sin two years ago.

It's ok to confess as completely as you can, just not making excuses and not holding anything back, and then ask God to forgive all of those, as well as any you might have forgotten or might not have recognized.

God is not a strict legalist, looking for reasons to condemn us. Thankfully! Otherwise, none could possibly stand before Him.
 
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God bless you!

When I become aware that I have just sinned - the moment I feel irritation in myself when someone cuts me off in traffic, or whatever - I try always to immediately confess to God and ask forgiveness. At the end of each day, as part of my evening prayers, I examine myself and my day, and try to bring to mind any sins, in order to confess and ask forgiveness from God. I often forget this or that. In our Tradition, we have the benefit of being able to go for sacramental confession, and again, I try to remember my sins since the last time but I always forget some instances.

I think it is more important to be honest before God, willing to admit any sin, not trying to argue your way out if it or justify with reasons why it "wasn't really sin", be willing to give everything over to God, repent, and humbly ask for His forgveness and mercy. That is what matters - one's heart. Not being able to perfectly recite every single sin. The truth is, we sin without knowing it, because we should be growing in sensitivity to sin, growing in holiness, and what we confess today, we might not have recognized at sin two years ago.

It's ok to confess as completely as you can, just not making excuses and not holding anything back, and then ask God to forgive all of those, as well as any you might have forgotten or might not have recognized.

God is not a strict legalist, looking for reasons to condemn us. Thankfully! Otherwise, none could possibly stand before Him.
 
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Very nicely put. Mine is judging drivers on my bumper. You are correct we will sin, consciously or nonconsciously. I sinned for fifty-one years it is going to be hard, not to sin. I have asked God to tell me I sinned so I can ask for forgiveness, I have dementia. nameone/curiousone
 
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sin is actually, for lack of a better way to put it, an insidious kind of mental illness.

As a substance dualist I think "soulish or spiritual" ( which Intake to be univocal here) illness is a more accurate description of sin qua mankind.

It remains to be seen if the serpent, or the watchers, or nephilim are similarly constituted.

The sin problem we see in Gal 3&4 may be broader that than area modern minds can grasp. Paul might be looking at all the sin (gen 3,6, and 9) not just Adamic.

In any case our response is to become disciples and engage in the cosmic battle for God's kingdom as adopted sons. No longer under condemnation by the law but empowered through the baptizing and sealing work of the HS to be obedience to Jesus.

We are made righteous by Jesus' sacrifice, filled with the HS for the purpose of transferring his methods and authority to us in the work of expanding the kingdom of god. Yet most remain mere spectators their entire lives.
 
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What is sin?
Sicut cervus desiderat ad fontes aquarum, ita desiderat anima mea ad te, Deus.
Like as the hart desireth the water-brooks: so longeth my soul after thee, O God.


At this point I'd like to provide some preliminary comments regarding my views on the subject and my impressions about the various ideas I've been exposed to. While I fully intend to perform some extended exegesis (i.e. attempts at biblical interpretation), I'm sure that would fill up enough space to warrant it's own post, and before I "show all my cards" I would simply like to see how some of you think and how you respond to me ideas here.

-Let me start with the idea of sin as I've been exposed to it amongst other Christians. Almost invariably their perceptions of it have come off looking like sin is behavioral, that it is practically as if God thinks of sin aesthetically and He doesn't countenance it because it's "yucky" to Him. I've been told not to think overly much of it by the droves and droves of anti-intellectual Christians out there because my curiosity in this area must be somehow detrimental to my faith, and we need to have a child-like relationship with God.

Well I'm just not satisfied at all with these attitudes. God doesn't consider sin hubris because it's merely an ice cream flavor He doesn't like. That God wants us to relate to Him like a child doesn't mean that He expects us not to use our rational capacity, after all He designed us to have a rational capacity and it is a beautiful thing because it reflects the Creator.

We are to humble ourselves before Him and trust Him like a child. If when Jesus taught His disciples to be like a child there were actually anti-intellectual overtones involved, then one would expect the Bible not to be a repository of the grandest philosophical sentiments, and the very height of artistic mastery with it's poems, psalms, and hymns.

-Okay, so what do I believe I've learned about the nature of sin?

In my studies I've been lead to think that hamartiology, theodicy, and biblical anthropology are deeply interrelated so in any discussion of one of three I'm bound to bring up aspects of the others. Given this kind of study I have arrived over time at the provisional conclusion (after all there is no perfectly apt or descriptive piece of theology, as God is infinite and hence inscrutable, and we are mere creatures) that sin is actually, for lack of a better way to put it, an insidious kind of mental illness.

How is this so? Well, to start with God created us in His Image. God's self love being the most profound and beautiful thing of all, it is only natural that He would create something like Him and love it inasmuch as it is like Him. I understand the Image to be our capacity for profound thought.

What happened then during the Fall? We distorted the Image itself, lessening our likeness to God and hence alienating us from Him. Sin, being any distortion of the Image, is an influence that confuses, and the reason it separates us from God is it alienates us from Him and feeds us false perceptions about His nature and our own nature.

Jesus, with His repeated references to the inside of the cup and how sinful thoughts proceed from our innermost being resulting in sinful behavior, has every appearance of suggesting with such teaching that sin itself is something within, and not something behavioral. When we act sinfully we are expressing problematic developments within the heart, we are displaying symptoms of a grave illness.

This is MOST profound, sir.

Thank you for this most edifying post AND question.
 
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What a precious thread this is, and what a profound question that is in the title of it.

i do hope that the author of it returns soon and continues to share and stir up our thoughts on what sin is, etc.
 
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