If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments

Bob S · Sep 25, 2016

The tree is Jesus. Both Jews and gentiles are grafted into the tree. The tree was never Israel. Israel could not give life. Israel's fate was death. Jesus is the tree of life and the branch that is severed dies.

Jan001 · Sep 26, 2016

JohnRabbit said:
yeah, when the gentiles separated from jews, they followed paul and barnabas and the verse said "the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath".

this would have been a great teaching moment for paul to tell the gentiles that they don't meet on the sabbath because it was done away with, and now the christian is to meet on the "first day of the week".

How well do you think your advice would have been received by the Jews in charge of the synagogues if Paul and Barnabas had done as you suggested?

The Gentiles who were in the synagogues practiced Judaism or else they were there to learn about Judaism in order to convert to Judaism. Please note that there is no Scriptural record that any other Jewish Christians or Gentile Christians accompanied Paul and Barnabas into the synagogues. Barnabas accompanied Paul into the synagogues.

Acts 13:43 And when the meeting of the synagogue broke up, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who spoke to them and urged them to continue in the grace of God. rsv

Matthew 10:17
Beware of men; for they will deliver you up to councils, and flog you in their synagogues, rsv

Acts 13:50
But the Jews incited the devout women of high standing and the leading men of the city, and stirred up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and drove them out of their district.

It seems reasonable to believe that "when the meeting of the synagogue broke up", Paul and Barnabas did indeed 'invite" the "many Jews and devout converts to Judaism who had followed Paul and Barnabas" out of the synagogue after the meeting to join them on the first day of the week to learn more about Jesus Christ so that they could then "continue in the grace of God".

It also seems reasonable to believe that when the Jewish leaders of the synagogue learned that Paul and Barnabas had "invited" their fellow Jews from their own synagogue "to join them on the first day of the week to learn more about Jesus Christ", that they then drove Paul and Barnabas out of their district.

paul didn't say that! in fact, paul told them nothing like what you said,

"The Christian Gentiles met together for worship on the first day of the week."

remember paul said to peter, "why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?"

if paul stood up to peter, surely he would have told the gentiles what all of the sabbath haters on this forum say about the sabbath!

again, he didn't!

they were gathered together to eat a meal. that's what the verse says!

can't make it say something it's not saying!

The correct translations of the Bible say that it was Cephas who Paul rebuked, not Peter. Also, the early church historian Eusebius said that it was Cephas, one of the 70/72 disciples, who was rebuked by Paul. I'll stick with these sources.

According to the law of Moses, it was not lawful for a Jew to eat with Gentiles. But the Jews who converted to Christianity were supposed to eat with Gentiles. They were to make no distinctions between themselves and the Gentile converts.

Galatians 2:11-16
But when Cephas came to Antioch I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he ate with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. 13 And with him the rest of the Jews acted insincerely, so that even Barnabas was carried away by their insincerity. 14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?” 15 We ourselves, who are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners, 16 yet who know that a man is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ, and not by works of the law, because by works of the law shall no one be justified. rsv

So, why do you think that Paul rebuked Cephas? Cephas was a natural-born Jew who converted to Christianity. Paul rebuked Cephas because Cephas lived like a Gentile and ate with the Gentiles as he was supposed to do unless there were disobedient Christian Jews of the circumcision party present. When the troublesome Jewish Christians came to visit, Cephas compelled the Gentile Christians to separate themselves from the Jewish Christians whenever they ate. Christians are not allowed to follow the law of Moses and separate themselves from the Gentiles while eating. The law of Moses is not valid for Christians.

Sunday Worship
Christians not only ate together, they also worshiped together and partook of the breaking of the bread that was commanded by Jesus Christ. Eating meals together and the breaking of the bread during their worship services are two different things. 1 Corinthians 11:24

Christians learned from their leaders where to meet for Sunday worship. They did not need a letter written to them in order to know where and what time they were to meet on the first day of the week for their worship service. The Scriptures are supplements to the apostles' and disciples' teachings. The Scriptures do not take the place of their teachings and they do not contain all of the apostles' and disciples' teachings.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. rsv

John 21:25

But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. rsv

Christians do not ever convert to Judaism. If they do, they have denied the Christian faith.

Galatians 5:4
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. rsv

BobRyan · Sep 30, 2016

The bottom line on this thread -- the main point is -

read the actual Bible -

"what matters is KEEPiNG the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"Do we then make VOID the Law by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish THE Law" Rom 3:31

1 John 5:1-4 (NKJV)
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

read the actual Bible.

Acts 13:14-16 GENTILES and JEWS keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons.
Acts 13:41-44 GENTILES and JEWs keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons - Sabbath after Sabbath.
Acts 17:1-4 GENTILES and JEWs keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons - Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath..
Acts 18:1-5 GENTILES and JEWs keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons - "EVERY SABBATH"..

bbbbbbb · Sep 30, 2016

Nice advice. When do you intend to heed it?

BobRyan · Sep 30, 2016

Jan001 said:
It seems reasonable to believe that "when the meeting of the synagogue broke up", Paul and Barnabas did indeed 'invite" the "many Jews and devout converts to Judaism who had followed Paul and Barnabas" out of the synagogue after the meeting to join them on the first day of the week

I agree that
1. - this is what you NEEDED to have found in the text
2. this is what we would have seen in the Acts 13 text IF your doctrine were true.
3. And you are "merely quoting you again" for the salient proof of your own argument. The necessary proof that would have been needed to make your case - is merely coming "from you" again.

But sadly this is exactly what we do NOT find in the text.

It also seems reasonable to believe that when the Jewish leaders of the synagogue learned that Paul and Barnabas had "invited" their fellow Jews from their own synagogue "to join them on the first day of the week to learn more about Jesus Christ", that they then drove Paul and Barnabas out of their district.

Another great example of what we DO NOT find in the text -- yet as you point out - it is was must certainly be found in the text were your wild claims remotely true.

The correct translations of the Bible say that it was Cephas who Paul rebuked, not Peter.

Hint: The bible says Peter and Cephas are the same person.

According to the law of Moses, it was not lawful for a Jew to eat with Gentiles.
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Sadly that is totally made up as well. And so what is it that you do when you need to totally make something up?? you "quote you again".

So, why do you think that Paul rebuked Cephas? Cephas was a natural-born Jew who converted to Christianity. Paul rebuked Cephas because Cephas lived like a Gentile and ate with the Gentiles as he was supposed to do

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Paul rebuked Peter (whom Jesus said was Cephas) - because Peter chose to follow man-made-tradition -- instead of sticking with the actual Bible - and loving his neighbor as himself. (Lev 19:18) in a case where even Christ said that this included Samaritans and the OT said it included the "sons of the foreigner".

Sunday Worship
Christians not only ate together, they also worshiped together

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NOT one text says they "worshiped together every week-day-1"
NO text says "they had gospel sermons every week-day-1"

For that sort of thing you have to go to SABBATH and Acts 18:4.

BobRyan · Sep 30, 2016

The bottom line on this thread -- the main point is -

read the actual Bible -

"what matters is KEEPiNG the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"Do we then make VOID the Law by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish THE Law" Rom 3:31

1 John 5:1-4 (NKJV)
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

read the actual Bible.

Acts 13:14-16 GENTILES and JEWS keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons.
Acts 13:41-44 GENTILES and JEWs keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons - Sabbath after Sabbath.
Acts 17:1-4 GENTILES and JEWs keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons - Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath..
Acts 18:1-5 GENTILES and JEWs keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons - "EVERY SABBATH"..

bbbbbbb said:
Nice advice. When do you intend to heed it?

Are you affirming these texts - or at war with them?

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 30, 2016

BobRyan said:
Are you affirming these texts - or at war with them?

Scripture is TRUTH and cannot be changed.
That doesn't mean anyone has to affirm Scripture. After all, most of the world refuses to.

[ change of mode for a moment ]

"at war" ..... that brings up an analogy from war.

WHen a private goes to war , what side does he work for ?

Can he just sit and say "if I do as I am ordered, then I am the enemy" ?

Can he just sit and say "God helps those who do nothing - IF I do anything, I die" ?

Can he tell the drill sergeant or platoon leader "I can't follow nor obey you; if I do I won't get my medals and purple heart" ?

BobRyan · Sep 30, 2016

you make a good point

Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"
John 14:!5 "If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD"

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 30, 2016

BobRyan said:
you make a good point

Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"
John 14:!5 "If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD"

Well, "the conscientious objector" Desmond Doss received the highest award from the President of the USA , and saved more lives in combat under fire,
than anyone else I've ever heard about or read about anywhere,

without EVER carrying or using a weapon.

Desmond Doss OBEYED YHWH FIRST, and obeyed his military orders second.

He obeyed YHWH FIRST. He kept YHWH'S SABBATH on 7th DAY. Yes, even in combat.

it seems many people don't see Scripture as practical TODAY.

Desmond Doss Did.

YHWH blessed him, and many lives were saved by him.

Many more were blessed, all because Desmond Doss obeyed YHWH FIRST, and the military SECOND.

He obeyed BOTH, without breaking any commandment (sabbath OR killing).

His testimony of Y'SHUA is known around the world TODAY.

bugkiller · Sep 30, 2016

BobRyan said:
Are you affirming these texts - or at war with them?

Everyone else understands he is asking about you and not your texts.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Sep 30, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Well, "the conscientious objector" Desmond Doss received the highest award from the President of the USA , and saved more lives in combat under fire,
than anyone else I've ever heard about or read about anywhere,

without EVER carrying or using a weapon.

Desmond Doss OBEYED YHWH FIRST, and obeyed his military orders second.

He obeyed YHWH FIRST. He kept YHWH'S SABBATH on 7th DAY. Yes, even in combat.

it seems many people don't see Scripture as practical TODAY.

Desmond Doss Did.

YHWH blessed him, and many lives were saved by him.

Many more were blessed, all because Desmond Doss obeyed YHWH FIRST, and the military SECOND.

He obeyed BOTH, without breaking any commandment (sabbath OR killing).

His testimony of Y'SHUA is known around the world TODAY.

Never recall hearing about him before.

bugkiller

Jan001 · Oct 1, 2016

BobRyan said:
The bottom line on this thread -- the main point is -

read the actual Bible -

"what matters is KEEPiNG the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"Do we then make VOID the Law by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish THE Law" Rom 3:31

1 John 5:1-4 (NKJV)
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

read the actual Bible.

Acts 13:14-16 GENTILES and JEWS keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons.
Acts 13:41-44 GENTILES and JEWs keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons - Sabbath after Sabbath.
Acts 17:1-4 GENTILES and JEWs keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons - Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath..
Acts 18:1-5 GENTILES and JEWs keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons - "EVERY SABBATH"..

Jesus was talking to the Israelites/Jews when He said the sabbath was made for mankind. The Israelites/Jews were the people Jesus meant by mankind. Jesus is not simply a man. Jesus is God also and therefore Jesus is actually exempt from keeping the sabbath of the Jews even though He did keep it minus the unnecessary rules until He died on the cross. Jesus was not talking to or about the Gentiles at all. Jews and uncircumcised Gentiles did not associate with each other until Jesus changed the commandments for His Jewish followers after His death on the cross.

Hebrews 7:12
For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well. rsv

Gentiles were never required to keep the sabbath. The sabbath was given to the Israelites as a sign between God and them alone.

The only Gentiles in the synagogues on the Sabbath with the Jews were circumcised Gentiles who were devout converts to Judaism or circumcised Gentiles who were becoming devout converts to Judaism. Paul circumcised the Greek Timothy so that he would be able to enter into the synagogues with Paul.

Acts 16:3
Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews that were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a Greek. rsv

The Jews considered all uncircumcised males to be unclean and they would not associate with any of them at all.

Ezra 9:11
which thou didst command by thy servants the prophets, saying, ‘The land which you are entering, to take possession of it, is a land unclean with the pollutions of the peoples of the lands, with their abominations which have filled it from end to end with their uncleanness. rsv

It does not do any good to read the actual Bible if it is not be understood correctly by the person reading it.

The following is a good meditation for all of us:

Galatians 5:4
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. rsv

Christians do not keep the law of Moses and its sabbath requirements. They do not want to be severed from Christ. They do not want to fall away from the grace of God.

Jan001 · Oct 1, 2016

BobRyan said:
I agree that
1. - this is what you NEEDED to have found in the text
2. this is what we would have seen in the Acts 13 text IF your doctrine were true.
3. And you are "merely quoting you again" for the salient proof of your own argument. The necessary proof that would have been needed to make your case - is merely coming "from you" again.

Time will tell which of us correctly interprets the Scriptures.

BobRyan · Oct 1, 2016

In response to a post stating that the people of God are to obey the Word of God rather than declare rebellion against it -- I posted this.

BobRyan said:
you make a good point
Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"
John 14:!5 "If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD"

And of course "the SAINTS KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Jan001 said:
Time will tell which of us correctly interprets the Scriptures.

holding your bible at an extreme distance one may "imagine" these texts are difficult to read - but in real life EVEN the Catholic church admits the TEN Commandments are still binding upon the saints!

As does the Westminster Confession of Faith, and the Baptist Confession of Faith and even the Orthodox churches.

The imaginary claim that this is just too difficult to read - is put to rest a long time ago.

And we all know it.

BobRyan · Oct 1, 2016

The bottom line on this thread -- the main point is -

read the actual Bible -

"what matters is KEEPiNG the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"Do we then make VOID the Law by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish THE Law" Rom 3:31

1 John 5:1-4 (NKJV)
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND"

read the actual Bible.

Acts 13:14-16 GENTILES and JEWS keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons.
Acts 13:41-44 GENTILES and JEWs keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons - Sabbath after Sabbath.
Acts 17:1-4 GENTILES and JEWs keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons - Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath..
Acts 18:1-5 GENTILES and JEWs keeping the Sabbath AND hearing Gospel Sermons - "EVERY SABBATH"

Jan001 said:
Jesus was talking to the Israelites/Jews when He said the sabbath was made for mankind.

1. So he was "lying" because it was Jews he was talking to?
2. Or are you saying that "only Jews are members of mankind"???

The Israelites/Jews were the people Jesus meant by mankind.

I am gentile - I am a member of "mankind" -

you proof-by-making-stuff-up is not working so well.

BobRyan · Oct 1, 2016

Jan001 said:
It seems reasonable to believe that "when the meeting of the synagogue broke up", Paul and Barnabas did indeed 'invite" the "many Jews and devout converts to Judaism who had followed Paul and Barnabas" out of the synagogue after the meeting to join them on the first day of the week

I agree that
1. - this is what you NEEDED to have found in the text
2. this is what we would have seen in the Acts 13 text IF your doctrine were true.
3. And you are "merely quoting you again" for the salient proof of your own argument. The necessary proof that would have been needed to make your case - is merely coming "from you" again.

But sadly this is exactly what we do NOT find in the text.

It also seems reasonable to believe that when the Jewish leaders of the synagogue learned that Paul and Barnabas had "invited" their fellow Jews from their own synagogue "to join them on the first day of the week to learn more about Jesus Christ", that they then drove Paul and Barnabas out of their district.

Another great example of what we DO NOT find in the text -- yet as you point out - it is was must certainly be found in the text were your wild claims remotely true.

Jan001 said:
Time will tell which of us correctly interprets the Scriptures.

Turns out - even the Catholic Church and Westminster Confession of faith admit to the obvious Bible detail that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are for Christians.

The Bible details you love to claim as 'hard to read' have been understood for a very long time - because they are obvious -- just as we see that each of your claims listed above - failed to find support in the Bible so you merely 'quote you' for the details you needed to have found in the text.

And we all know it.

BobRyan · Oct 1, 2016

Jan001 said:
Gentiles were never required to keep the sabbath.

Until you read Isaiah 56:2-8
Until you read Mark 2:27
Until you read Isaiah 66:23
until you read Hebews 4:9
until you read 1 Cor 7:19
until you read Rev 14:12.

Simply "making stuff up" is not a form of "Sola Scriptura".
The following is a good meditation for all of us:

Galatians 5:4
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. rsv

Gal 5 is a great chapter for not at all saying that the command to 'not take God's name in vain is now an evil command' -- it is a great chapter for not saying anything about the Sabbath Commandment. And we all know it.

some Christians - do not keep the law of Moses and its Sabbath and choose to reject the teaching of Christ in Mark 7:6-13.

But that is not true of the 5th largest Christian denomination in the world.

Many Christians choose not to be at war against the Word of God because they do not want to be severed from Christ. They do not want to fall away from the grace of God.

BobRyan · Oct 1, 2016

bugkiller said:
Never recall hearing about him before.

bugkiller

Hacksaw Ridge - comes to mind

BobRyan · Oct 1, 2016

10 Commandments are – the commandments of God

“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
5th Commandment: “Word of God” = “Commandment of God” = “Moses said” Mark 7:13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11 includes “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.”
NT Commandments Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10
Eph 6:2 “the first commandment with a promise” in the TEN Commandments – is the fifth commandment

“Which Commandments?” – Matt 19:17-19
“‘You shall not murder,’
‘You shall not commit adultery,’
‘You shall not steal,’
‘You shall not bear false witness,’
19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’
and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

in Detail

Matt 19
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said,
“‘You shall not murder,’
‘You shall not commit adultery,’
‘You shall not steal,’
‘You shall not bear false witness,’
19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’
and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

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"what matters is KEEPiNG the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"Do we then make VOID the Law by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish THE Law" Rom 3:31

1 John 5:1-4 (NKJV)
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

In Protestantism one of the key elements is "sola scriptura" testing of all doctrine and practice - and not so much focus on simply "ad hominem" to make a point. As I am sure we would all agree.

So then how is that "Sola Scriptura" testing of all doctrine and tradition stated in the Bible?

Well we find one example of "sola scriptura" testing of all doctrine and tradition in Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

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Rejecting the teaching of Christ "is a bad thing"

Bob S · Oct 1, 2016

The admonition to worship in assembly is found in
Hebrews 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

There is no indication of any day being commanded over another in the New Testament. Jews continued to assemble on Sabbath and Christians assembled sometimes daily, sometimes in assembly with Christian Jews on Sabbath. There is no Sabbath law found in the new Testament. We are free to assemble as the Spirit moves us. Sunday gathering had become a tradition by the end of the first century. Most everyone is free from work on Sunday and it is as good as any other day to come together in corporate worship following the advice in Heb 10.

Sabbath promoters try to put a stigma on assembling on Sunday. Yhey go so far as to tell us we will be lost if we continue worshiping on Sunday. They tell us we will be lost unless we join ranks with them in Sabbath worship. Their fixation is pure nonsense that has been reputed since they started toting their falsehood. We know for sure that the Israelite Sabbath is now but a shadow, Jesus is reality. Jesus is our rest and we are invited to enter that rest today. Yoday is any day you finally give up the shadow and claim the real promise.

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