"Work out your own salvation"

believeume · Sep 30, 2016

W2L said:
I'm hoping the Lord shines his light in your heart. Peace, and goodnight.

Okies.

nChrist · Oct 1, 2016

believeume said:
Is salvation in your hands?

What are you supposed to work out?

And

Why do so many Christians try to work out other peoples salvation for them?

Philippians 2:12-13 (KJV)
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

First, we aren't saving ourselves or working for Salvation. Salvation is a Gift from God - Jesus Christ died on the Cross for our sins. This portion of Scripture makes perfect sense if you put it in context. How about "Exercise your Salvation" - use it - yield to the Will of God - and read Verse 13? The Apostle Paul is telling them that he wants them to be ACTIVE Christians - more in his absence - not less. This is an exhortation and encouragement by the Apostle Paul for service to God. Lastly, we can't exercise the Salvation of other Christians. Other Christians are responsible for what they do or don't do. The best we can do is encourage other Christians and serve as a good example for them.

Let's assume that you serve a human king and he asked you to do something for him. How would you feel about refusing his request? Now, change the example to serving the King of Kings - your Creator.

believeume · Oct 1, 2016

357magnum said:
Philippians 2:12-13 (KJV)
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

First, we aren't saving ourselves or working for Salvation. Salvation is a Gift from God - Jesus Christ died on the Cross for our sins. This portion of Scripture makes perfect sense if you put it in context. How about "Exercise your Salvation" - use it - yield to the Will of God - and read Verse 13? The Apostle Paul is telling them that he wants them to be ACTIVE Christians - more in his absence - not less. This is an exhortation and encouragement by the Apostle Paul for service to God. Lastly, we can't exercise the Salvation of other Christians. Other Christians are responsible for what they do or don't do. The best we can do is encourage other Christians and serve as a good example for them.

Let's assume that you serve a human king and he asked you to do something for him. How would you feel about refusing his request? Now, change the example to serving the King of Kings - your Creator.

You're telling me this based on your current views of the bible, but I'm not hearing God telling me that personally.

nChrist · Oct 1, 2016

believeume said:
You're telling me this based on your current views of the bible, but I'm not hearing God telling me that personally.

Yes, or I wouldn't have made the post. I really don't care if you agree or disagree.

redleghunter · Oct 1, 2016

believeume said:
Now who did John the Baptist target, was it the common folk or the corrupt law givers?

The corrupt law fabricators.

believeume · Oct 1, 2016

357magnum said:
Yes, or I wouldn't have made the post. I really don't care if you agree or disagree.

And I don't care if you never cared that I cared about.......

Care bears?

What are we not caring to care about?

believeume · Oct 1, 2016

redleghunter said:
The corrupt law fabricators.

Indeed, I don't think John the Baptist was one of those Bible bashing hell thumping preachers.

He would be interesting to travel around with.

Anguspure · Oct 1, 2016

believeume said:
Hmm, love.

What is love?

For me it's the desire to learn about others and encourage them do the same.

You can't have a relationship with someone if you don't desire to know them.

In a biblical sense Agape (translated Love or Charity) is the willfull act of laging down ones life for a neighbour aka Jesus of Nazareth.

Anguspure · Oct 1, 2016

believeume said:
I don't know Morse code.

... Its an S for Salvation. Just like this is an XP for Christ.

Anguspure · Oct 1, 2016

aiki said:
KFC?

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believeume · Oct 1, 2016

Anguspure said:
In a biblical sense Agape (translated Love or Charity) is the willfull act of laging down ones life for a neighbour aka Jesus of Nazareth.

Does that even happen anymore?

Anguspure · Oct 1, 2016

believeume said:
Does that even happen anymore?

To be honest I havn't encountered it, although I have heard that it happens.
Nevertheless this is the Love that we are called to in Christ and by the acts of the Apostles, it is the way of Agape and it was this sort of Love that made Galen (2nd century AD) declare "For their contempt of death [and its sequel] is patent to us every day, and likewise their restraint in cohabitation..."

believeume · Oct 1, 2016

Anguspure said:
To be honest I havn't encountered it, although I have heard that it happens.
Nevertheless this is the Love that we are called to by Christ and by the acts of the Apostles, it is the way of Agape and it was this sort of Love that made Galen (2nd century AD) declare "For their contempt of death [and its sequel] is patent to us every day, and likewise their restraint in cohabitation..."

Oh well, it's something Christian's have to live up to I guess.

Geralt · Oct 1, 2016

Simply means to exercise or exhibit the salvation one already have. Nothing in the context about works-salvation (works to achieve salvation).

believeume said:
Is salvation in your hands?

What are you supposed to work out?

And

Why do so many Christians try to work out other peoples salvation for them?

believeume · Oct 1, 2016

Geralt said:
Simply means to exercise or exhibit the salvation one already have. Nothing in the context about works-salvation (works to achieve salvation).

New thread coming up about this.

-57 · Oct 1, 2016

believeume said:
Is salvation in your hands?

What are you supposed to work out?

And

Why do so many Christians try to work out other peoples salvation for them?

Does that say what you say it says? Does it really tell you to work to obtain salvation? Or, is it just telling you to be productive in your saved state?

fhansen · Oct 1, 2016

believeume said:
Is salvation in your hands?

What are you supposed to work out?

And

Why do so many Christians try to work out other peoples salvation for them?

It's very simple; salvation is a process, wherein we cooperate with God in becoming who we were created to be. It's about change, real change that God desires to effect in us, but not without our cooperation, our willingness to allow Him to do that work.

So the work begins with grace; we respond with faith, and the result is that a relationship with God is established within which He can begin to transform us into His image, placing His law in our hearts and writing it in our minds as the New Covenant prophesies tell us He will, as we continue to remain faithful, continue to follow Him, continue to pursue and cultivate and grow in His righteousness or justice, continue to work out our salvation with He who works in us. And likewise we can always refuse to do that; we can turn away from God at any step along the way.

-57 · Oct 1, 2016

fhansen said:
It's very simple; salvation is a process, wherein we cooperate with God in becoming who we were created to be.

Do you mind if I disagree?

Salvation is being saved from something. That something is the wrath of God. The justice every human deserves.
The cooperating process is called sanctification.

Tull · Oct 1, 2016

believeume said:
Why do so many Christians try to work out other peoples salvation for them?
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Because the meddler and busy body always assumes that every situation is greatly improved by their presence or influence

fhansen · Oct 1, 2016

-57 said:

Do you mind if I disagree?

Salvation is being saved from something. That something is the wrath of God. The justice every human deserves.
The cooperating process is called sanctification.

Click to expand...

Well, i hope I can disagree as well. Salvation is a package deal. It's realized by the way we live out our lives, with what we do with what we're given. Scripture reveals that branches grafted in can always be cut off, soil can first sprout the seed but later fail to keep it from withering and dying, faith can be rejected, the heavenly gift can be tasted but later spurned. Salvation, justification, and sanctification cannot be separated.

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