If Donald Trump really doesn't pay federal income tax...

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How can the Democrats know that Trump's unpublished tax returns show him not to have paid any tax??
Well, the democrats do control the Treasure Dept.......
And Democrats control the IRS which is why conservatives such as Trump get targeted for audits so often while Democrat party supporters are left alone. It's one example of many of corrupt DC politics.
 
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Which begs the question, why not man up and release current ones? As I said, I don't care if he paid no taxes at the end if he filed a legal return. But it is crystal clear to me he is hiding something he fears the public knowing before the election.
Otherwise, he'd be releasing and bragging about how rich he is, how much charity giving he does and how smart he is to use legal deductions.

What question does Trump refusing major campaign contributions from individuals or other interests answer ?
Or basically funding his own campaign ? You reason like a , lay off the dude ..
 
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And Democrats control the IRS which is why conservatives such as Trump get targeted for audits so often while Democrat party supporters are left alone. It's one example of many of corrupt DC politics.
And why conservative organizations found it so difficult to receive tax exempt status......just in case the usual suspects start screaming about how the IRS is non-partisan and would never release tax info without permission.......
 
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What question does Trump refusing major campaign contributions from individuals or other interests answer ?
Or basically funding his own campaign ? You reason like a female , lay off the estrogen dude ..

I'd like to see evidence for your bolded in something other than Trumps claims.

From his own website: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/splash/eoq/

The first thing there is the "Donate" button. He's about as self-funded as he is a faithful husband.
 
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Because it's not required and none of your business ?
It is, indeed, my business for a candidate to the highest office in the land. That's a preposterous notion that a candidate for President should be allowed to hide his/her financial dealings. I's a preposterous notion that a candidate for President be expected to do the absolute minimum in disclosure.
 
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And Democrats control the IRS which is why conservatives such as Trump get targeted for audits so often while Democrat party supporters are left alone. It's one example of many of corrupt DC politics.
That has absolutely nothing to do with it and you know it (or should). The IRS does not complete anyone's return. That is done by the taxpayer or authorized preparer. I don't give diddly squat about his being audited. I care about what he makes and deducts compared with what he has told the public.
 
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What question does Trump refusing major campaign contributions from individuals or other interests answer ?
Or basically funding his own campaign ? You reason like a female , lay off the estrogen dude ..
Again, I will be very simple. The return versus what he says he has done with his money. How he has funded his campaign is not the issue.
 
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That has absolutely nothing to do with it and you know it (or should). The IRS does not complete anyone's return. That is done by the taxpayer or authorized preparer. I don't give diddly squat about his being audited. I care about what he makes and deducts compared with what he has told the public.
The ironic thing is that Democrats are complaining about the tax system while being against Trump's plan to simplify it.
 
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I'd like to see evidence for your bolded in something other than Trumps claims.

From his own website: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/splash/eoq/

The first thing there is the "Donate" button. He's about as self-funded as he is a faithful husband.

250 dollars is not major imo or RNC contributions to other Republican candidates .. Certainly not major in comparison to the opposition
 
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The ironic thing is that Democrats are complaining about the tax system while being against Trump's plan to simplify it.
Which again has nothing to do with why he isn't releasing it. As another poster noted, he could use his return as a way of touting his understanding of the problems with the system and how it relates to his proposed changes. That would be a powerful argument. Trump is either hiding something or he's just stupid.
 
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Again, I will be very simple. The return versus what he says he has done with his money. How he has funded his campaign is not the issue.

I agree you couldn't be more simple , have you ever considered being positive and promoting your own candidate ? I bet you are a joy to be around at work aren't you ?
 
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I agree you couldn't be more simple , have you ever considered being positive and promoting your own candidate ? I bet you are a joy to be around at work aren't you ?
My peers universally love and admire me. It would be ok to admit that you don't have a good argument.

BTW, The thread isn't about my candidate.
 
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Is it smart to not pay taxes? I'm not asking it's wrong or right, but if it's smart.
Depends on the POV; if you mean strictly personal, yeah. More money in your pocket to spend as you see fit. If viewed from a societal perspective maybe not so much if it means insufficient funding. The big argument against the societal POV is that government has demonstrated time and again that no amount of money is ever enough. As an example:
Here in Columbus the school board is puting a levy request on the ballot for Nov; $200+/year/$100,000 valuation. The usual reasons are given: we will be broke in a year or 2, we need to add programs, it will improve the school system, etc. the CSD has been failing for 30+ years and no amount of money ever seems to fix it. This year, on the state report cards, most of individual schools rated D & F. The last levy failed massively; I don't think this one will pass either. People are tired of pouring money down the rabbit hole. Most people are willing to pay taxes if they think they are getting a good return for it; short of that I prefer it stay in my pocket. Yeah, I know......selfish.
 
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Is it smart to not pay taxes? I'm not asking it's wrong or right, but if it's smart.

If you do it legally, if you don't spend more on not pay than you would have paid, if yuo don't actually lose money to accomplish it, then yes it is smart.

However if you are Trump and are constantly bragging on how rich and how good a businessman you are releasing tax returns may have other problems.
 
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If people don't like the legal loopholes they should be for Trump's plan to simplify the tax system.

Trump's plan may involve simplification, by reducing the tax brackets into four from our current seven; but it also reduces corporate taxes so that corporations pay no more than 15%, full stop; which would easily give incentive for the very wealthy to simply to work the system to pay only the 15% corporate tax rather than the 25% income tax (http://www.cbpp.org/research/federa...udes-major-tax-break-for-wealthiest-taxpayers). And then there's the fact that Trump's tax plan would completely eliminate the estate tax.

Trump's plan might, at first glance, seem to be nice because it does cut taxes for the lower and middle classes (thought not a whole lot more than the current system), where Trump's plan really benefits is for the very wealthy who will see the largest cuts and means toward tax avoidance. The low corporate tax rate does not primarily benefit small mom and pop business, but larger business and corporations; etc.

Trump's system may be "simpler" but simpler doesn't mean better. Trump's plan would absolutely benefit Trump, and it would absolutely benefit the country's wealthiest, it would only marginally help lower income families--and all in all it would be incredibly damaging to federal revenue--and simply eliminating certain programs or institutions would have a negligible, almost none, effect on this. And therefore the people to be most hurt are going to be veterans, the disabled, the very poor, and others who depend on benefits from the government in order to simply exist.

So, no. If I care about legal loopholes I shouldn't vote for Trump or support Trump's tax plan because Trump's tax plan would, fundamentally, benefit only the excessively wealthy and would, in the long term, hurt the most vulnerable members of our society.

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