How can the grace of God be resisted by some yet received by others?

God chooses whom He will, since He says no one does good. It would be a good thing to choose to listen to and obey God which not even Adam and Eve could do, but none do unless God does His work inside of them first.
God has made His promise to Abraham that he would be the father of a great nation and would have sons, family like himself, and they would be the children of God.

Romans 3
9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

10 As it is written:

“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”

Actually this idea of us choosing God is more of us trusting in Christ to save us, believing what He said about everlasting life.
God chooses to reveal His Son inside of us, not the other way around. This is a miraculous transformation, God produces in us a new spirit, we are born from God above, we are become new creatures, newly born babes in Christ, and so then naturally confess Him since we are now become the children of God manifested.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

I love that verse 6 here in 2 Cor 4. Paul makes the comparison of God commanding the light to shine out of darkness, and He does the same thing inside of darkened human hearts that He has chosen to shine His light in them for the Glory of His grace.

Ephesians 1:5-7New King James Version (NKJV)
5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

Hammster said:

And you've experienced that when?

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I've seen it happen with open air evangelism when I knew the person was a double-predestination Calvinist. I know what I'm talking about.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Y'SHUA, YHWH'S WORD, says even the disciples did not choose HIM.

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That was John 15:16 (ESV) and related to the choosing of 12 disciples. It is in the Upper Room discourse which Jesus gave to his disciples.

MennoSota said:

You are right. Yeshua also chooses to have people justly die in their sins and go to hell. In fact, we all deserve that just choice of God's, but because of His great mercy and grace, he chooses some to atone.
Grace...it's amazing.

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Sounds more like amazing discrimination for the damned.

OzSpen said:

Sounds more like amazing discrimination for the damned.

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What's that mean ?
That's good, right ?
(YHWH'S JUSTICE and JUDGMENT is PERFECT, with no iniquity and no spot nor wrinkle)

bottomofsandal said:

Sounds like God chose us so we could choose whether or not we would choose Him back ?

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How many times did the children of Israel choose other gods?

I'm surprised you forgot about the golden calf.

MennoSota said:

Yes, God's judgment falls first on the house of God. Read Hebrews on that issue. God has consistently dealt with his children when the sin and defame his holy name.

Does a parent punish a neighborhood child that isn't their own? No. Those kids are not their children. Hebrews 12 tells you that if God does not discipline you...you are not His child.

Do you wonder why so many saints in the Bible got frustrated that the wicked seemed to prosper. God leaves pagans and those who are not his children to die in their sins. God will not stay silent when the issue is with his children. He will sanctify us and he will make us holy by disciplining us when we defame his name.

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I'm surprised you think God's children will experience His wrath. His wrath is so much more than discipline; they are not the same.

Who are the vessels of wrath? Are we not saved from God's wrath?

Nahum 1:2
God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.

God's wrath is God's vengeance on His adversaries. God's wrath is reserved for His enemies. I'm surprised you think God's elect are enemies of God.

MennoSota said:

Yes, God's judgment falls first on the house of God. Read Hebrews on that issue. God has consistently dealt with his children when the sin and defame his holy name.

Does a parent punish a neighborhood child that isn't their own? No. Those kids are not their children. Hebrews 12 tells you that if God does not discipline you...you are not His child.

Do you wonder why so many saints in the Bible got frustrated that the wicked seemed to prosper. God leaves pagans and those who are not his children to die in their sins. God will not stay silent when the issue is with his children. He will sanctify us and he will make us holy by disciplining us when we defame his name.

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Read and understand -

Nahum 1:2
God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.

I'm surprised you didn't know this.

EmSw said:

I'm surprised you think God's children will experience His wrath. His wrath is so much more than discipline; they are not the same.

Who are the vessels of wrath? Are we not saved from God's wrath?

Nahum 1:2
God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.

God's wrath is God's vengeance on His adversaries. God's wrath is reserved for His enemies. I'm surprised you think God's elect are enemies of God.

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We are disciplined here on earth. His wrath, for his elect, falls upon Yeshua.
Recall, from your Bible, that not all Israel is Israel and perhaps you will begin to grasp the Old Testament prophets.
Ew, you are so desperate to be right that you are getting silly.

EmSw said:

How many times did the children of Israel choose other gods?

I'm surprised you forgot about the golden calf.

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Not all Israel are 'of Israel'
Your only 'of Israel' if elect according to God's promise and so then are children of Abraham, children of promise.
Isaac was a promised son of God to Abraham, born not according to the flesh but the Spirit.
Of all those who were Israel only a remnant are saved. The rest God had not given to them a mind to understand, ears to hear or eyes to see, down to this very day.

Even in olden days, you had to be born of His Spirit according to God's promise to Abraham to be a true son of Abraham who was justified by faith.

Only the sons of Abraham actually are saved whether jew or gentile.
IF your not a child of God's promise, then you are no son of Abraham, you are not a member of the family of God.

To be a true son of Abraham means your a child of God's promise, so then foreknown, predestined, elected, so then you will be regenerated and you will be saved.

Galatians 3
5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham“believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

The Law Brings a Curse
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written,“Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but“the man who does them shall live by them.”

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The Changeless Promise
15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yetif it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. 16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one,“And to your Seed,” who is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Purpose of the Law
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Sons and Heirs
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 4
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

The child of God's promise to Abraham is Isaac, born according to the Spirit, and not according to the will of the flesh, the will of man, but born of God's will. As Isaac was so are His people today.

John 1
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

To those who received Him they had been born of the Spirit prior, since they were children of God's promise whom He foreknew and so then predestined and elect. and chosen and faithful to God they are.

Revelation 17:14
These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”

A faithless person is a profane unregenerate person who is not saved.

Romans 9
Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”[c]

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.”[d] 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”[e]


God's word was in effect. Not all Israel are 'of Israel' Only the children of God's promise are counted as the children of Abraham.
God does this that His will and purposes according to 'election', meaning chosen of God for salvation will stand.

If your of God, then you will love Christ whom God sent.
If your of God you are one of these children of God's promise, one of the 'children of God'.
In Hebrews 2 Christ says

13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”

And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

In John 8 Christ says
Abraham’s Seed and Satan’s
37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.”

39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”

Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.

MennoSota said:

God never let's criminals into His holy presence. He kills them. The only time He doesn't kill them is when He personally chooses to pardon a criminal by his son's atonement for that person.

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This is a very odd statement for is a forgiven criminal still a criminal in God's sight?

MennoSota said:

Ew, you are so desperate to be right that you are getting silly.

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Shalom MennoSota. Relax and have Peace of Messiah. I questioned the same thing a day or 2 ago through a couple of my posts here. YHWH provided the answer.

ToBeLoved said:

This is a very odd statement for is a forgiven criminal still a criminal in God's sight?

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Only God's chosen children are pardoned and forgiven.
We are lawbreakers for whom Christ has taken our sentence. Our gratitude to Christ cannot be comprehended for he has shown amazing grace to his chosen, adopted, family members.

Matthew 7:22-24Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’ 23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’a]">[a]b]">[b]

The Two Foundations
24 “Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on the rock."
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Matthew 7:22-24Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

22 On that Day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord! Didn’t we prophesy in your name? Didn’t we expel demons in your name? Didn’t we perform many miracles in your name?’ 23 Then I will tell them to their faces, ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’[a]

24 “So, everyone who hears these words of mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on bedrock.
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Matthew 7:22-24New English Translation (NET Bible)

22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!’
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MennoSota said:

Only God's chosen children are pardoned and forgiven.
We are lawbreakers for whom Christ has taken our sentence. Our gratitude to Christ cannot be comprehended for he has shown amazing grace to his chosen, adopted, family members.

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I didn't ask that. I asked

Are those who have been forgiven by Christ still considered a criminal?