Signs of the Times

Job8 · Sep 21, 2016

Ronald said:
The onset of the Great Tribulation Period will cause many to fall away.

Since the Great Tribulation is triggered by the Abomination of Desolation, and the Abomination of Desolation is the Antichrist's desecration of the Temple, and the appearance of the Antichrist is preceded by the great Falling Away or Apostasy,
you will need to revise your conclusions.

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture is the only option for those who understand that the Rapture has always been imminent, and was even expected by the New Testament churches. The only requirement is that the "fulness of the Gentiles" come into the Church (and only God knows how many Gentiles are required). It has nothing to do with the Tribulation or the Great Tribulation (designed for the unbelieving and the ungodly).

Ronald · Sep 22, 2016

Job8 said:
Since the Great Tribulation is triggered by the Abomination of Desolation, and the Abomination of Desolation is the Antichrist's desecration of the Temple, and the appearance of the Antichrist is preceded by the great Falling Away or Apostasy,
you will need to revise your conclusions.

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture is the only option for those who understand that the Rapture has always been imminent, and was even expected by the New Testament churches. The only requirement is that the "fulness of the Gentiles" come into the Church (and only God knows how many Gentiles are required). It has nothing to do with the Tribulation or the Great Tribulation (designed for the unbelieving and the ungodly).

Not really, if there is no Temple, and the 70th year of Daniel was a prophecy that only predicted His First Coming, and the Pre-Trib view is incorrect.

Job8 · Sep 22, 2016

Ronald said:
Not really, if there is no Temple, and the 70th year of Daniel was a prophecy that only predicted His First Coming, and the Pre-Trib view is incorrect.

The third Temple will be built, and Daniel's 70th week is still future.

Ronald · Sep 22, 2016

Job8 said:
The third Temple will be built, and Daniel's 70th week is still future.

Your view, but when the trumpets start to blow, disaster comes and you are still here, you'll understand.

Jipsah · Sep 22, 2016

Job8 said:
The third Temple will be built, and Daniel's 70th week is still future.

Your opinion is duly noted.

Job8 · Sep 22, 2016

Jipsah said:
Your opinion is duly noted.

That's good. Now kindly check out what is happening in Israel regarding the restoration of Temple worship and the building of that third Temple. They have even appointed a high priest in anticipation of this.

Job8 · Sep 22, 2016

Ronald said:
Your view, but when the trumpets start to blow, disaster comes and you are still here, you'll understand.

For the believer, the only trumpet will be the Trump of God at the Rapture. All the other trumpets belong to the trumpet judgments during the Great Tribulation, which coincide with the Day of the LORD. Disaster is for the unbelieving and the ungodly. The Blessed Hope is for Christians.

Ronald · Sep 22, 2016

Job8 said:
For the believer, the only trumpet will be the Trump of God at the Rapture. All the other trumpets belong to the trumpet judgments during the Great Tribulation, which coincide with the Day of the LORD. Disaster is for the unbelieving and the ungodly. The Blessed Hope is for Christians.

Last means last, if it happened before the seven trumpets then it wouldn't be the last. If it happened after the seventh, then it would be the eighth. Pre-tribbers have to distort the meaning of last in order for their view to gel.

Jipsah · Sep 22, 2016

Job8 said:
That's good. Now kindly check out what is happening in Israel regarding the restoration of Temple worship and the building of that third Temple. They have even appointed a high priest in anticipation of this.

"They" who? The self-appointed "Sanhedrin"? "Hey, Moishe, let's me and you start us a Sanhedrin and get animal sacrifice going again, whaddaya say? Flip you for who gets to be High Priest!" This is like the yahoos in Texas a few years ago who proclaimed themselves the legitimate government of the Republic of Texas. Heard from them lately?

vinsight4u · Sep 25, 2016

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Psalm3704 · Sep 25, 2016

vinsight4u said:
We wait for the time of reward.
7th trumpet

vinsight, only those that participate in the pre-tribulation rapture will be rewarded. Those who firmly and deliberately reject the pre-trib rapture will forfeit their reward as Christ cannot rescue those who wish to endure the tribulation. He will not override your freewill if you want to stay on earth for Daniel's 70th week.

The reward will be handed out at the Bema Seat, which is in heaven during the first half of the tribulation. If you don't go to heaven, you've forfeited everything. And endure the great tribulation on earth.

He warned us about letting others deceive us and rob us of our rewards: Revelation 3:11.

Revelation 3:10-11 New King James Version (NKJV)
10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.

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Douggg · Sep 25, 2016

vinsight4u said:
We wait for the time of reward.
7th trumpet

The 7th trumpet sounds the time when Satan is cast down. Not the time that the rapture take place.

I don't disagree with you, however, regarding the time of rewards at the bema seat of Christ to take place in heaven while the earth goes through the second half of the seven years.

Job8 · Sep 25, 2016

vinsight4u said:
They will still be here in the time of Rev. 14, as dying for their faith in Jesus.

There is a difference between the Church and the Tribulation Saints. You will not find the Church mentioned from Revelation 6 to 18.

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