Aman777

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Do some trigonometry on the sky positions of the sun in various locations around the Earth. There is no flat Earth model that can account for the observations.

It doesn't do any good to measure the movement of the Sun on our Earth, since the flat Earth was Adam's, or the world (kosmos) that THEN WAS, which was totally destroyed in the flood. 2Pe 3:6 Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe this since this knowledge totally destroys the False ToE.
 
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It doesn't do any good to measure the movement of the Sun on our Earth, since the flat Earth was Adam's, or the world (kosmos) that THEN WAS, which was totally destroyed in the flood. 2Pe 3:6 Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe this since this knowledge totally destroys the False ToE.
Or perhaps because there's no physical evidence supporting it?
 
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Or perhaps because there's no physical evidence supporting it?

Not so, since Scripture shows that the bottom of the solid boundary of Adam's firmament is in Lake Van, Turkey where History confirms it arrived 10-11k years ago. Lake Van is the largest lake in the mountains of Ararat being 75 miles wide and 1500 feet deep making it the perfect place for the 450 ft long Ark to dock. Lake Van is between the mountains of Ararat and the center of the Fertile Crescent on this Map. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html
 
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Sooo...
1. Are Australians just too spectacularly stupid to figure out that the distances they believe in are dead wrong, or
2. Are all Australian, to the last person, liars and / or part of the conspiracy, or
3. Is your map distorted?

My vote is they're all part of the conspiracy. Dirty rotten Aussies, always conspiring to do something. And it's usually rotten. And dirty. It comes from seeing too many cute animals like Kangaroos and Koalas and Platypuses, they can drive a man insane.

Or the map is distorted. But I like the insane Aussie theory better. :)
 
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I hate to return to this Flat Earth stuff as I was a bit curious back then but decided to leave it as it was by that time.

I have been wondering about that truth myself as I have been told that the Earth we live in is a globe or an oblate spheroid, depends on your era of knowing.

Now if indeed it was a sphere, that is if we are to agree as a whole on what we have been told, then we could've seen a slight curve even at the least detail in observing the world as we know it. I've observed once that I saw that the horizon was flat when perfectly flat when I was on a voyage in a vacation to another island. I used the perfectly straight horizontal bar and positioned my camera exactly on the scene as the wide-open sea was on sight.

THE BIG HORIZON
HORIZONTAL BAR

And I saw that they were completely parallel to each other.

I also noticed that that the elongated island on the map would've been really curved backwards had we have a curvature ever present somewhere along the coast. Yet I found none and all I saw while the ferry boat was cruising across the sea was a continuous land with no curvature is ever observed, even to the least degree. Why do I say that even to the least degree? My eyes are observant and I rely on being observant all the time to the least detail when I want it to be.


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Have a trip from Tagbilaran Port of Bohol to Pier 1 of Cebu City or vice versa.

We have roughly 60 kilometers from Dalaguete to Cebu City and all I see is a continuous uninterrupted land. No curvature ever is observed.

I've been to one of the highest areas of Cebu City and observed a vast flatness of the horizon and if I take a ruler or a metrestick and line it all up from Point A-B, it is uninterrupted. No curvature is ever observed.
 
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No curvature is ever observed.

Given the size of the earth, you would have to be at an extremely high altitude (over 50,000 ft) to be able to see the curvature itself; one would certainly not expect to see it from ground observations.
 
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I have been wondering about that truth myself as I have been told that the Earth we live in is a globe or an oblate spheroid, depends .......

The scripture clearly and repeatedly describes a flat earth if read literally. All evidence for a spherical earth is from outside the scripture, which I think is relevant in how we interpret our Bibles. To me, I see the outside evidence and clear, and as a reason not to read the scripture literally - but you can of course interpret your Bible however you see fit.

Did you see my post #3 on this thread (http://www.christianforums.com/threads/flat-earth.7940889/)? Here it is again for reference:

Flat Earth-

Bible tells us that the earth is flat like a piece of clay stamped under a seal (Job 38:13-14), that it has edges as only a flat plane would (Job 38:13-14,.Psa 19:4), is set on a foundation, like a table (2Sm 22:16, Ps 18:15, 102:25, Pr 8:27-29, Is 48:13), has a length as only a flat plane would (Dan 4:11, Job 11:9, Job 28:24, Job 37:3, Job 38:13, Job 38:44, Jrm 16:19), that it is a circular disk (Isa 40:22), and that its entire surface can be seen from a high tree (Dan 4:10-11) heaven (Job 28:24) or mountain (Matt 4:8) or which is impossible for a sphere, but possible for a flat disk. Taken literally, as the YECs insist we do, any one of these passages shows a flat earth. Taken together, they are even more clear. And many Christians in history have interpreted it as such.

Geocentrism-

The Bible describes the earth as unmovable, set on a foundation of either pillars in water (1 Sam 2:8, 1 Chr 16:30, Job 9:6, 38:4, Psa 24:1-2, 75:s3, 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 136:6). It also tells us that, although the earth does not move, the sun and stars do move about it (Josh 10:12, Psa 19:4-6, 50:1, Ecc 1:5 (note “returns”, not perspective), Hab 3:11). And that the stars could be dropped down onto the earth like fruit falling from a tree (Rev. 6:13). Taken literally, as the YECs insist we do, these verses show geocentrism. And many Christians in history have interpreted it as such.

We live in a Planetarium-
The Bible describes the sky (firmament -- literally "metal bowl made by a hammer"- Gen 1:6-8, 1:14-17) as a solid dome, like a tent (Isa 40:22, Psa 19:4, 104:2, Pr 8:27-29, Ezk 1:26), that is arched over the surface of the earth. It also has windows to let rain/snow in (Gen 7:11, 8:2, Deut 28:12, 2 Kings 7:2, Job 37:18, Mal 3:10, Rev 4:1). Ezekiel 1:22 and Job 37:18 even tell us that it's hard like bronze and sparkles like ice, that God walks on it (Job 22:14) and can be removed (Rev 6:14). Ex 24:10 suggests that it is like sapphire. Joshua 10:12 estimates how far the Sun and Moon are from Earth’s surface. The Sun was stopped to illuminate the Valley of Gibeon, and the Moon was stopped to illuminate the Valley of Aijalon, showing that one wasn’t sufficient for both valleys (too close). So some basic trigonometry shows that they are therefore at a roughly similar height as the valleys are from each other – which is around 20 miles. Similarly, the whole Star of Bethlehem story in Mt (where a star designates a single house) makes no sense if stars are millions of miles across, but makes perfect sense if the stars are little lights hanging from a dome above us. Taken literally, as the YECs insist we do, these verses show a solid sky above us. And again, many Christians in history have interpreted it as such.

Many Christians today have recognized this. Deciding to actually take their Bible literally, they are honest, and hence ascribe to a flat earth.​

A bunch of scriptural examinations like this can be found with a youtube search. Also, Bible scholars have long recognized that a literal reading shows a flat earth.

In Christ-

Papias
 
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The scripture clearly and repeatedly describes a flat earth if read literally. All evidence for a spherical earth is from outside the scripture, which I think is relevant in how we interpret our Bibles. To me, I see the outside evidence and clear, and as a reason not to read the scripture literally - but you can of course interpret your Bible however you see fit.

Adam's Earth WAS flat and it was also literally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 The evidence is clear that the present Earth is NOT the same Earth Adam lived and died on. Adam's Earth is the world that THEN WAS.
 
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