Irrational thoughts and getting convinced by them..

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Hey all, so I decided to make a choice to dedicate my life to Christ around late February this year :) I felt like I didn't regret the decision and it was total joy (for the first few weeks at least)

Then just a week later around March 1, when I was praying, a thought came to mind - how do you know God really exists? then I suddenly started pondering on it (keep in mind I was a cradle believer, I was told about God by my religious aunts and I believed everything they said) and started to wonder ''yeah what if he isn't real? :('' then it troubled me for 11 days exactly. Day and night I was searching up 'doubting God's existence'' and saw many articles which didn't help me, I felt like my doubts were irrational, fearful doubts rather than honest doubts.

I didn't want these thoughts. Every time I would debate (in my mind) whether God was real or not, with the part that said ''God doesn't exist'' winning. Then to my joy, I finally found an article that explained logical reasons on why God must exist and I was so happy that I thought 'after reading this, all my doubts were sure to be gone!' but nope they did not. I just had to keep reassuring myself that God does exist. It's like if I think something to be true then it must be true! But if I don't think it, then it probably isn't.

If I tried to counter it with reasons like ''But the Bible is true! So it means God exists!'' my mind would just counter it with absolutely ABSURD reasons like ''Oh the Bible was written by a guy just 8 years ago and is trying to deceive people with Christianity'' But that is probably the most illogical statement ever because Christianity has been around for over 2000 years already, yet I believed it and despite me trying to muster all my mental strength to disprove it, I can't seem to.

Another example is, in my Merchant of Venice book - in Shakespeare's biography, it stated that he was a Christian back in the 16th century. But then the same thought comes up ''Oh they just added it in to deceive us that Christianity was there before but it wasn't''

I don't know if this is useful extra info but

One day, still having these thoughts I decided to read the book of Exodus. I felt so at peace as my mind was occupied with the reading. I felt ''wow, what an awesome God!'' but then when the thoughts of ''this is fake, don't believe it'' I began arguing with myself again and it just instantly took away all the peace.

It's as if only when I'm not thinking about it that I can feel at peace. ''Well why don't you stop thinking about it then?'' it is easier said than done. I feel the constant need to disprove all my false beliefs and ensure myself again and again that I believe what I believe. Also, when I try to stop thinking about it and just actually try to focus it remains stubbornly in my head. I don't know if this is OCD or not, but I actually got convinced by it once. Within the first week I was like ''This is not true, God does exist!'' in the second week this changed to ''Yeah... maybe He doesn't exist'' the fact that I'm getting convinced by my thoughts is what bugs me. I read up about OCD and all and I rarely see OCD affected people get convinced by their irrational thoughts.

Next point (Also I'm really sorry for the long post)

I've managed to overcome that thought but the same issue occurs. Now the thoughts are not about God's existence but questions on his character. God is a holy, loving God and knowing this has always been a delight to me. But one day the thought popped into my head ''What if God was actually evil pretending to be good?'' and like the first thought (about God's existence) I started to list reasons on why it isn't true but true enough, the week after I began to be a little convinced by it.

Last time, if this question rang in my mind I'd easily laugh it off and not give it any of my time but now I actually need to constantly argue against these false beliefs. Now if anything negative pops into my mind concerning God or my loved ones (yes even this now ughhh) I always have to give it a second thought and ponder about it.

The only way I got rid of some of those is by just focusing on the present moment and sooner or later it just disappeared. BUT I want to know WHY I am even giving these thoughts a consideration in the first place. Is it gullibility? Lack of self confidence? Fear? OCD? Anxiety? Paranoid thoughts? Or all 5 of them?

Please help, I've been dealing with this for about 5 months already and it has been really distracting and ruining my life
 

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Hey all, so I decided to make a choice to dedicate my life to Christ around late February this year :) I felt like I didn't regret the decision and it was total joy (for the first few weeks at least)

Then just a week later around March 1, when I was praying, a thought came to mind - how do you know God really exists? then I suddenly started pondering on it (keep in mind I was a cradle believer, I was told about God by my religious aunts and I believed everything they said) and started to wonder ''yeah what if he isn't real? :('' then it troubled me for 11 days exactly. Day and night I was searching up 'doubting God's existence'' and saw many articles which didn't help me, I felt like my doubts were irrational, fearful doubts rather than honest doubts.
SeekerOfTruth: Inquire of the Lord/and search out truth in the bible...Proverbs 8:16-17, John 14:21-23,
2 Corinthians 13:5.


I didn't want these thoughts. Every time I would debate (in my mind) whether God was real or not, with the part that said ''God doesn't exist'' winning. Then to my joy, I finally found an article that explained logical reasons on why God must exist and I was so happy that I thought 'after reading this, all my doubts were sure to be gone!' but nope they did not. I just had to keep reassuring myself that God does exist. It's like if I think something to be true then it must be true! But if I don't think it, then it probably isn't.


If I tried to counter it with reasons like ''But the Bible is true! So it means God exists!'' my mind would just counter it with absolutely ABSURD reasons like ''Oh the Bible was written by a guy just 8 years ago and is trying to deceive people with Christianity'' But that is probably the most illogical statement ever because Christianity has been around for over 2000 years already, yet I believed it and despite me trying to muster all my mental strength to disprove it, I can't seem to.

Another example is, in my Merchant of Venice book - in Shakespeare's biography, it stated that he was a Christian back in the 16th century. But then the same thought comes up ''Oh they just added it in to deceive us that Christianity was there before but it wasn't''

I don't know if this is useful extra info but

One day, still having these thoughts I decided to read the book of Exodus. I felt so at peace as my mind was occupied with the reading. I felt ''wow, what an awesome God!'' but then when the thoughts of ''this is fake, don't believe it'' I began arguing with myself again and it just instantly took away all the peace.
SeekerOfTruth: Our flesh/mind be carnal, that's why we are told in scripture to renew our mind regularly on on the Word of God, we learn to take every thought captivate and make it submit to Christ....2 Corinthians 10:5. There also be that armor of God that a believer is to put on daily...http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/spiritual-attacks-putting-on-the-armor-of-god/

It's as if only when I'm not thinking about it that I can feel at peace. ''Well why don't you stop thinking about it then?'' it is easier said than done. I feel the constant need to disprove all my false beliefs and ensure myself again and again that I believe what I believe. Also, when I try to stop thinking about it and just actually try to focus it remains stubbornly in my head. I don't know if this is OCD or not, but I actually got convinced by it once. Within the first week I was like ''This is not true, God does exist!'' in the second week this changed to ''Yeah... maybe He doesn't exist'' the fact that I'm getting convinced by my thoughts is what bugs me. I read up about OCD and all and I rarely see OCD affected people get convinced by their irrational thoughts.

Next point (Also I'm really sorry for the long post)

I've managed to overcome that thought but the same issue occurs. Now the thoughts are not about God's existence but questions on his character. God is a holy, loving God and knowing this has always been a delight to me. But one day the thought popped into my head ''What if God was actually evil pretending to be good?'' and like the first thought (about God's existence) I started to list reasons on why it isn't true but true enough, the week after I began to be a little convinced by it.

Last time, if this question rang in my mind I'd easily laugh it off and not give it any of my time but now I actually need to constantly argue against these false beliefs. Now if anything negative pops into my mind concerning God or my loved ones (yes even this now ughhh) I always have to give it a second thought and ponder about it.

The only way I got rid of some of those is by just focusing on the present moment and sooner or later it just disappeared. BUT I want to know WHY I am even giving these thoughts a consideration in the first place. Is it gullibility? Lack of self confidence? Fear? OCD? Anxiety? Paranoid thoughts? Or all 5 of them?
SeekerOfTruth: Many of us try to handle our own problems, you ain't alone in that...this flesh of ours hates submitting to God...we war with the flesh...Galatians 5:17...Paul addresses this is chapter 7 of Romans.

Please help, I've been dealing with this for about 5 months already and it has been really distracting and ruining my life

SeekerOfTruth: Many believers biggest battles are with the mind/thoughts, the bible tells us that we will have spiritual battles....Galatians 5:17, Ephesians 6:12 for examples. Also, the armor of God is for spiritual battles.
More on spiritual battles...http://www.gotquestions.org/spiritual-battle.html

Believers need to be rooted in the faith and united with other believers(where's your backup team? do you have prayer warriors? bible believing mentors and advisors that you can assist you?


You know that we(believers) are told in the bible that we are to pray for one another...1 Timothy 2:1, help others...Luke 3:10-11, we are to grow/mature...2 Peter 3:18, Romans 6:13, 2 Timothy 2:8-26.


 
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Having thoughts that are contrary to the Truth may not completely stop in this life, but it will get better over time. Salvation is not just a one-time event. Every day and in every moral decision, we have to choose whether to follow Jesus or not. The two ways to deal with such thoughts are to eject them, or to counter them with Truths from the Bible. Ultimately you will need to be able to do the latter, which requires studying (and believing) Scripture. This is what Jesus did to counter Satan temptations in the desert before Jesus' ministry began. The evidence that Scripture is all true will also be something seek for a while. Memorizing the verses that counter the things that repeatedly come into your mind can help a lot. You can always post your doubts on this web site and people will find Scripture to counter the incorrect things, or support correct things.

Regular prayer will help fight and/or reduce how much they happen. So will regular fasting.
 
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It sounds like intrusive thoughts - thoughts you really don't want to have, but which seem to have a mind of their own. This is a video of a young Christian who a similar problem, and how not only did he overcome it, but how God used ultimately it for good.
 
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The OP's thoughts are NOT irrational. All these "doubts" are reasonable questions posed to 1st year Philosophy students of various faiths by their professors.

Imo, the best way to "test the spirits" is to read the Gospels in the Bible (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) & ask (pray to) Jesus yourself, "What is true?" I'm still amazed that there is a God who answers prayers!

As a young skeptic, I could find no fault in the man called Jesus. Moreover, I found the Bible "reading & testing" me just as much as I was testing this "God." In the end, I lost faith in myself & surrendered my faith to Jesus.

I've had ups & downs with my faith these past 20 years, but in the end, Jesus is always right & loves us all more than we love ourselves.

My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise. http://biblehub.com/psalms/51-17.htm
 
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Hey all, so I decided to make a choice to dedicate my life to Christ around late February this year :) I felt like I didn't regret the decision and it was total joy (for the first few weeks at least)

Then just a week later around March 1, when I was praying, a thought came to mind - how do you know God really exists? then I suddenly started pondering on it (keep in mind I was a cradle believer, I was told about God by my religious aunts and I believed everything they said) and started to wonder ''yeah what if he isn't real? :('' then it troubled me for 11 days exactly. Day and night I was searching up 'doubting God's existence'' and saw many articles which didn't help me, I felt like my doubts were irrational, fearful doubts rather than honest doubts.

I didn't want these thoughts. Every time I would debate (in my mind) whether God was real or not, with the part that said ''God doesn't exist'' winning. Then to my joy, I finally found an article that explained logical reasons on why God must exist and I was so happy that I thought 'after reading this, all my doubts were sure to be gone!' but nope they did not. I just had to keep reassuring myself that God does exist. It's like if I think something to be true then it must be true! But if I don't think it, then it probably isn't.

If I tried to counter it with reasons like ''But the Bible is true! So it means God exists!'' my mind would just counter it with absolutely ABSURD reasons like ''Oh the Bible was written by a guy just 8 years ago and is trying to deceive people with Christianity'' But that is probably the most illogical statement ever because Christianity has been around for over 2000 years already, yet I believed it and despite me trying to muster all my mental strength to disprove it, I can't seem to.

Another example is, in my Merchant of Venice book - in Shakespeare's biography, it stated that he was a Christian back in the 16th century. But then the same thought comes up ''Oh they just added it in to deceive us that Christianity was there before but it wasn't''

I don't know if this is useful extra info but

One day, still having these thoughts I decided to read the book of Exodus. I felt so at peace as my mind was occupied with the reading. I felt ''wow, what an awesome God!'' but then when the thoughts of ''this is fake, don't believe it'' I began arguing with myself again and it just instantly took away all the peace.

It's as if only when I'm not thinking about it that I can feel at peace. ''Well why don't you stop thinking about it then?'' it is easier said than done. I feel the constant need to disprove all my false beliefs and ensure myself again and again that I believe what I believe. Also, when I try to stop thinking about it and just actually try to focus it remains stubbornly in my head. I don't know if this is OCD or not, but I actually got convinced by it once. Within the first week I was like ''This is not true, God does exist!'' in the second week this changed to ''Yeah... maybe He doesn't exist'' the fact that I'm getting convinced by my thoughts is what bugs me. I read up about OCD and all and I rarely see OCD affected people get convinced by their irrational thoughts.

Next point (Also I'm really sorry for the long post)

I've managed to overcome that thought but the same issue occurs. Now the thoughts are not about God's existence but questions on his character. God is a holy, loving God and knowing this has always been a delight to me. But one day the thought popped into my head ''What if God was actually evil pretending to be good?'' and like the first thought (about God's existence) I started to list reasons on why it isn't true but true enough, the week after I began to be a little convinced by it.

Last time, if this question rang in my mind I'd easily laugh it off and not give it any of my time but now I actually need to constantly argue against these false beliefs. Now if anything negative pops into my mind concerning God or my loved ones (yes even this now ughhh) I always have to give it a second thought and ponder about it.

The only way I got rid of some of those is by just focusing on the present moment and sooner or later it just disappeared. BUT I want to know WHY I am even giving these thoughts a consideration in the first place. Is it gullibility? Lack of self confidence? Fear? OCD? Anxiety? Paranoid thoughts? Or all 5 of them?

Please help, I've been dealing with this for about 5 months already and it has been really distracting and ruining my life

The bible in parts of it describes a cosmic battle between good, and evil. There are evil or fallen angels, who sinned against God, these angels seek to draw people away from God. They seek to confuse and make a Christians life hell on earth. The thoughts you are getting are coming from these fallen angels. The fact is that Jesus/God is more powerful than them. I once started reading books on evolution, and nearly got convinced that faith was a lie, however God gave me just enough power to see the truth, but I had to hang onto the truth in that moment. Hang onto the truth God gives you, and you will beat it. Also the thoughts will eventually stop when they know you won't listen to them.

As for some faith builders, in our family we actually have seen a (clinically) dead relative raise back to life through prayer in Jesus name (one of our relatives prayed). I have also seen a few instant healings in Jesus name through prayers I have prayed.
 
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Hey all, so I decided to make a choice to dedicate my life to Christ around late February this year :) I felt like I didn't regret the decision and it was total joy (for the first few weeks at least)

Then just a week later around March 1, when I was praying, a thought came to mind - how do you know God really exists? then I suddenly started pondering on it (keep in mind I was a cradle believer, I was told about God by my religious aunts and I believed everything they said) and started to wonder ''yeah what if he isn't real? :('' then it troubled me for 11 days exactly. Day and night I was searching up 'doubting God's existence'' and saw many articles which didn't help me, I felt like my doubts were irrational, fearful doubts rather than honest doubts.

I didn't want these thoughts. Every time I would debate (in my mind) whether God was real or not, with the part that said ''God doesn't exist'' winning. Then to my joy, I finally found an article that explained logical reasons on why God must exist and I was so happy that I thought 'after reading this, all my doubts were sure to be gone!' but nope they did not. I just had to keep reassuring myself that God does exist. It's like if I think something to be true then it must be true! But if I don't think it, then it probably isn't.

If I tried to counter it with reasons like ''But the Bible is true! So it means God exists!'' my mind would just counter it with absolutely ABSURD reasons like ''Oh the Bible was written by a guy just 8 years ago and is trying to deceive people with Christianity'' But that is probably the most illogical statement ever because Christianity has been around for over 2000 years already, yet I believed it and despite me trying to muster all my mental strength to disprove it, I can't seem to.

Another example is, in my Merchant of Venice book - in Shakespeare's biography, it stated that he was a Christian back in the 16th century. But then the same thought comes up ''Oh they just added it in to deceive us that Christianity was there before but it wasn't''

I don't know if this is useful extra info but

One day, still having these thoughts I decided to read the book of Exodus. I felt so at peace as my mind was occupied with the reading. I felt ''wow, what an awesome God!'' but then when the thoughts of ''this is fake, don't believe it'' I began arguing with myself again and it just instantly took away all the peace.

It's as if only when I'm not thinking about it that I can feel at peace. ''Well why don't you stop thinking about it then?'' it is easier said than done. I feel the constant need to disprove all my false beliefs and ensure myself again and again that I believe what I believe. Also, when I try to stop thinking about it and just actually try to focus it remains stubbornly in my head. I don't know if this is OCD or not, but I actually got convinced by it once. Within the first week I was like ''This is not true, God does exist!'' in the second week this changed to ''Yeah... maybe He doesn't exist'' the fact that I'm getting convinced by my thoughts is what bugs me. I read up about OCD and all and I rarely see OCD affected people get convinced by their irrational thoughts.

Next point (Also I'm really sorry for the long post)

I've managed to overcome that thought but the same issue occurs. Now the thoughts are not about God's existence but questions on his character. God is a holy, loving God and knowing this has always been a delight to me. But one day the thought popped into my head ''What if God was actually evil pretending to be good?'' and like the first thought (about God's existence) I started to list reasons on why it isn't true but true enough, the week after I began to be a little convinced by it.

Last time, if this question rang in my mind I'd easily laugh it off and not give it any of my time but now I actually need to constantly argue against these false beliefs. Now if anything negative pops into my mind concerning God or my loved ones (yes even this now ughhh) I always have to give it a second thought and ponder about it.

The only way I got rid of some of those is by just focusing on the present moment and sooner or later it just disappeared. BUT I want to know WHY I am even giving these thoughts a consideration in the first place. Is it gullibility? Lack of self confidence? Fear? OCD? Anxiety? Paranoid thoughts? Or all 5 of them?

Please help, I've been dealing with this for about 5 months already and it has been really distracting and ruining my life

your enemy the devil is injecting these wrong thoughts into your mind to see if you'll receive doubt; he's running down a list of lies, not knowing which, if any, will distract you from God. when these thoughts begin to plague you, follow Jesus' example, and speak out of your mouth to the devil to shut up and get out of your mind - to 'get behind you'. you can't stifle this with silent thoughts; faith is released through speaking - but you don't have to shout either - if you're at work in a meeting, just speak the words without an audible voice.

Luk 4:33-35 KJV
(33) And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
(34) Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
(35) And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.

Mat 16:21-23 KJV
(21) From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
(22) Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
(23) But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
 
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The problem is not what thoughts come to our mind, but what thoughts that come to our mind, we accept and agree with, accommodate, follow, entertain, and obey eventually. The question is if we agree with those thoughts in our head or not. If we agree, they have conquered us, and have a dominion over our lives. If we do not agree with them, then it shows that they are not our own thoughts, and that we are struggling against them, which means, they can not control us. The Bible says that we must capture every thought for Christ. And also, that we have the mind of Christ. In other words, we decide willfully, to replace those thoughts, with the thoughts of God, his Word. We compare each one of those thoughts, with the Word of God, and if they agree with the Word of God, then we can accept them. But, if they do not agree, and are in a disagreement with the Word of God, we do not need to worry about them, but just try to dismiss them.
 
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