MJ Only Remarriage?

Gregory Wilson said:

So the question is, could she every remarry righteously? Especially if he remarries someone else. Thanks,

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First off too little information has been provided. Undoubtedly there was more leading up to the divorce than just your Mom wanting to keep Sabbath. Can't imagine that any Christian Pastor would've condoned your Dad's divorce based on her wanting to keep Sabbath. If your Dad is Catholic then possibly a Priest may have condoned your Dad's divorce.

Until your Mom has established a close friendship (over time) with a potential mate of like mind it's not an easy matter for either a Christian Pastor or a Messianic Rabbi to give a definitive answer to her question. Even if both a Christian Pastor and a Messianic Rabbi were to meet with both individuals separately and together (before remarriage) it's still not an easy matter to answer her "righteously" query. My guess is that any counselor would turn it back on your Mother by asking, "What do you mean by righteously?" or "What do you think?" and in affect leave the final decision of any remarriage up to your Mother.

Assuming your Mother's thoughts/ideas of "righteously" has been posed to her as an inward spiritual impression and/or confirmed by a close friend your Mother is wise to take heed.

Hoping this reply is helpful

If the only reason for the divorce is your mother's Sabbath keeping, then your dad had no Scriptural grounds for the divorce. They are still married in Yahweh's eyes. A divorce by the state cannot nullify the marriage. According to Yeshua, if either remarries, he/she will be an adulterer as well as their new spouse (Matthew 5:32).

Paul, on the other hand, writing his opinion and not the Master's words (1 Corinthians 7:12), says that if an unbelieving spouse wants to depart, they should be free to do so (1 Corinthians 7:15). So, if your dad is not a believer and he wanted a divorce, your mother would be free (no longer bound by that marriage covenant) and could marry another (IMHO). If he is a Christian, then I would think your mother is not free to remarry. Neither is your dad.

If neither one of them has remarried yet, they can still reconcile. This would probably require deep Bible study and prayer by both your father and mother to ascertain Yahweh's will concerning the Sabbath. If your dad is a Christian, then he should be open to this, especially knowing he cannot remarry another because he had no Scriptural grounds for divorce in the first place. I doubt he wants to become an adulterer or cause your mother to become one.

As AbbaLove said, there may be too little information to go on. So these are just my thoughts based on that little info you gave.

Gregory Wilson said:

He thinks the New Testament teaches strictly against 'going back to the law'...

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So it seems the issue is not necessarily the Sabbath, but the entire law. If that is the case, I can share a study of this issue with him. If he is open to reading it, I would be open to dialogue with him about the issue via email.

Since the divorce is final, the marriage is dissolved, I would say that she is free to marry and pray that she chooses wisely for someone who is of like faith. Her X has gone on and the adultery has been committed. His claim to Christianity is not shown in his escape from His marriage vow. Sabbath was the excuse to divorce and not a valid one, even if his pastor gave it to him with the "going back to the law" theology. Yes, it is righteous for her to be free to be a wonderful helpmeet for which she is created to be.

visionary said:

Since the divorce is final, the marriage is dissolved, I would say that she is free to marry and pray that she chooses wisely for someone who is of like faith. Her X has gone on and the adultery has been committed. His claim to Christianity is not shown in his escape from His marriage vow. Sabbath was the excuse to divorce and not a valid one, even if his pastor gave it to him with the "going back to the law" theology. Yes, it is righteous for her to be free to be a wonderful helpmeet for which she is created to be.

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The divorce cannot be final in Yahweh's eyes since there was no grounds for it. Yes, the husband may have moved on, but aren't you assuming adultery was committed?

I have come to the conclusion that marrying wrong is the other unforgivable sin,it will plague you until the day you die and maybe even after.

Tull said:

I have come to the conclusion that marrying wrong is the other unforgivable sin,it will plague you until the day you die and maybe even after.

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Do you mean marrying the wrong person or marrying unlawfully or something else?

gadar perets said:

Do you mean marrying the wrong person or marrying unlawfully or something else?

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Being in a marriage that was a mistake from the beginning where people torture one another and life is not worth living because of it,according to some Gods grace that covers all other mistakes does not cover this one....saw a tee shirt once that read "Hell Is Other People" it very often can be.

Tull said:

Being in a marriage that was a mistake from the beginning where people torture one another and life is not worth living because of it,according to some Gods grace that covers all other mistakes does not cover this one....saw a tee shirt once that read "Hell Is Other People" it very often can be.

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I would not call that an "unforgivable sin", but a major mistake by which we suffer the consequences. However, there is life after a failed marriage. It is a life that seeks fulfillment through Yeshua rather than a spouse (1 Corinthians 7:32-35).

gadar perets said:

The divorce cannot be final in Yahweh's eyes since there was no grounds for it. Yes, the husband may have moved on, but aren't you assuming adultery was committed?

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Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.....

Yeshua's message on marriage and adultery was because divorce was so pervasive and so easy and as Yeshua put it... it was allowed because of "the hardness of their hearts"

Divorce is an awful thing.... but to act as though it is a sin that is somehow worse than others is patently absurd.

I honestly feel like until you are without sin, ya ought to kind of keep your mouth shut

gadar perets said:

I would not call that an "unforgivable sin", but a major mistake by which we suffer the consequences. However, there is life after a failed marriage. It is a life that seeks fulfillment through Yeshua rather than a spouse (1 Corinthians 7:32-35).

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You might as well tell a single person the same thing *shaking my head*

BukiRob said:

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.....

Yeshua's message on marriage and adultery was because divorce was so pervasive and so easy and as Yeshua put it... it was allowed because of "the hardness of their hearts"

Divorce is an awful thing.... but to act as though it is a sin that is somehow worse than others is patently absurd.

I honestly feel like until you are without sin, ya ought to kind of keep your mouth shut

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If your post is directed at me, then I don't understand your reply. Did I say divorce is a sin worse than others? Are you saying a believer cannot point out a sin unless he/she is sinless themselves?

A lawful divorce in the eyes of Yahweh is not a sin. To divorce your wife because she is not a good cook, for example, is a sin.

BukiRob said:

You might as well tell a single person the same thing *shaking my head*

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You are correct. That is sound advice for singles and those divorced. If you don't like that advice, take it up with the Apostle Paul.

gadar perets said:

You are correct. That is sound advice for singles and those divorced. If you don't like that advice, take it up with the Apostle Paul.

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That is a gross misunderstanding of WHY Paul spoke that to a specific congregation. You and I are not under persecution to the point of death.

BukiRob said:

That is a gross misunderstanding of WHY Paul spoke that to a specific congregation. You and I are not under persecution to the point of death.

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Paul wrote that to the Corinthians, but it was advice for all believers (1 Corinthians 7:7-8); not because persecution would make things difficult for them, but because they would have less difficulty in the flesh if they had a singular dedication to the Master and devoted themselves to his service without distraction.

I don't sense any "persecution to the point of death" of the Corinthians when Paul wrote his first letter to them. He wrote to them to straighten out internal matters that were causing problems, not external matters concerning persecution.

Forgive and move on. Obligations to marriage cease because of the hardness of heart. The innocent are no longer obligated to see themselves in a marriage that is no more, no matter what the civil or religious rules are. Community dictates based on scholar theology is lacking in charity and love and are about as worthless as the hardness of heart that caused the marriage to cease.

visionary said:

Forgive and move on. Obligations to marriage cease because of the hardness of heart. The innocent are no longer obligated to see themselves in a marriage that is no more, no matter what the civil or religious rules are. Community dictates based on scholar theology is lacking in charity and love and are about as worthless as the hardness of heart that caused the marriage to cease.

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When you say "religious rules", are you including Yeshua's rules in that? If he said divorce for the wrong reasons causes people to commit adultery, are you now saying he was wrong? Yes, "forgive and move on", WITH your spouse, not without them.

Gregory Wilson said:

So the question is, could she every remarry righteously? Especially if he remarries someone else. Thanks,

Greg for Sharon

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As usual it's only a matter of time until another "marry" go-round discussion/debate. NOT too helpful!

AbbaLove said:

Can't imagine that any Christian Pastor would've condoned your Dad's divorce based on her wanting to keep Sabbath. If your Dad is Catholic then possibly a Priest may have condoned your Dad's divorce.

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The Catholic Church never condones divorce, certainly not because a wife wants to observe Sabbath. If a Catholic wishes to remarry, they can ask for an annulment one one of these grounds: http://www.stmarys-waco.org/documents/Grounds for Marriage Annulment in the Catholic Church.pdf However, they may well find that no annulment is granted.