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For some reason I feel like I'm gonna get a TON of flack over this, but here goes:

Can anyone recommend a good book by Watchman Nee? Sort of as a starting point for his writings?
The Spiritual Man and the Normal Christian Life were very very edifying.
 
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For some reason I feel like I'm gonna get a TON of flack over this, but here goes:Can anyone recommend a good book by Watchman Nee? Sort of as a starting point for his writings?

I started with "The Normal Christian Life". I read it and it didn't "gel" the FIRST time, but then when I red it a year or so later it was a TREMENDOUS BLessing. Also "Spiritual Authority" was really good, And "The Ministry of God's Word" gave me principles that I still use 40 years later. Sit, Walk Stand is Short and Sweet, but LOADED.

I never did get through "The Spiritual Man" trilogy.
 
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I read in a review somewhere that said the books aren't actually written directly by him, but were put together by his followers from his teachings. I'm not sure if that's true or not, though.

I think the ONLY BOOKS He actually Wrote personally is the "Spiritual MAn" trilogy. The others were redacted from notes taken during the '40s in Foochow before he was imprisoned.
 
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Something I find helpful for a daily read is at http://www.lsm.org/ and scroll to sidebar "Reading through Life-Study of the Bible"
The studies of the compilation of Watchman Nee's are available for daily study that will takes years to progress thru. I also like the study of WL "Life-Studies of the Books of Types (Gen-Deut) " It's very informative as to types and patterns that are the wordseeds used thru-out the rest of scripture.
 
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Something I find helpful for a daily read is at http://www.lsm.org/ and scroll to sidebar "Reading through Life-Study of the Bible"
The studies of the compilation of Watchman Nee's are available for daily study that will takes years to progress thru. I also like the study of WL "Life-Studies of the Books of Types (Gen-Deut) " It's very informative as to types and patterns that are the wordseeds used thru-out the rest of scripture.
I would be leery of reading such a work by Witness Lee. Watchman Nee's early works were outstanding, but his later works show the seeds of cultist control, of which Witness Lee exported and expanded in Southern California.
 
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I would be leery of reading such a work by Witness Lee. Watchman Nee's early works were outstanding, but his later works show the seeds of cultist control, of which Witness Lee exported and expanded in Southern California.
I was of that mind too but in studying out the allegations those who were most adament in making them have recanted of that in having to delve into them so much.
Watchman Nee himself pointed out the difference in their teaching in that Nee is for the individual in Christ while Lee is for the corperate in Christ. Nee's writings have much more life in them.
It must be remembered that for the 20 yrs that Nee was imprisoned Lee was building his ministry upon Nee's teachings and ran the chanch that he could be released and refute Lee's whole ministry in a few words. So all of Lee's ministry is based on Nee's ministry in a very real sence.
The only bookform that I recommended of Lee's was that of types which comes from Nee's teaching and is gathered together well in that reading.

One other thing is that many are saying Watchman Nee had none of his own writings but the compilation of his works there are gathered from his work as a publicist of his Christian newspaper articals that he ran for years.

Edit- Please explain what you mean - cultist control?? If you mean his is the only way take a look around the forum and count the denominations cultist control ;)
 
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Please explain what you mean - cultist control?? If you mean his is the only way take a look around the forum and count the denominations cultist control ;)
:oldthumbsup: Agreed, in one sense in that each denomination claims there view is the only view. In fact, I consider denominations to be heresy in the literal sense of the word - sectional and divisive. However, what I mean is that the unity that Witness Lee promoted, as well as the latter works of Nee, is controlling of people in the congregation. There have been many testimonies that I have heard from people who left the Witness Lee group of the control over them. Christ gives everyone freedom. He controls no one. Unity comes in the spirit by self realization and self control, not externally by other people.
 
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:oldthumbsup: Agreed, in one sense in that each denomination claims there view is the only view. In fact, I consider denominations to be heresy in the literal sense of the word - sectional and divisive. However, what I mean is that the unity that Witness Lee promoted, as well as the latter works of Nee, is controlling of people in the congregation. There have been many testimonies that I have heard from people who left the Witness Lee group of the control over them. Christ gives everyone freedom. He controls no one. Unity comes in the spirit by self realization and self control, not externally by other people.

Yes, freedom in Christ should mean holding firmly to "all the counsel of God" by a Bible-only fellowship. Most professing Christians stay with a group that thinks the way they think, but the real issue is finding a scriptural fellowship in the world. It is a rare thing in the world today, but it does exist worldwide ---see the biblecounsel.net site on the internet.

Both Witness Lee and his teacher --Watchman Nee, came from the Taylorite following which descended from the Raven cult. The man, Raven, left the so-called "brethren movement" of 1827 AD, to set forth elitism of so-called anointed servants to manage people's lives at home as well as in the assembly. Taylor and those after him when Raven died, kept the concept of bowing to special anointed servants who manage all thought. I know the history of these men who left the revival of circa 1800 AD. They copied some of the good ministry there, but perverted God's revival by a strict and legalistic view.

Some of us held to that revival of 1827, but several cults developed out of it over time. One can see the bigger picture of Bible-only at the sound site: www.biblecounsel.net. It has continued that faithful revival of 1827 in maintaining the Bible as our only authority for the Christian faith. One can ask questions there if interested in what God intends for His testimony in the world. It will prove a blessing to one who values God's Word.
 
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There is somewhere online a comparison of what Nee's Original "White Covers" by Christian Fellowship Publishers said
vs
what Lee thru Living Stream printed:
Revealing as realized by many (apparently)
that Lee did in fact "counterfeit" and mis-appropriate and change Nee's sound Biblical Messages in ways that were meant to provide more control for the leaders in local churches, and wrongly so - damaging YHWH'S TESTIMONY and teh body of Christ.
The books Lee changed, and published by Living Stream Publishers have a wrong motivation and a type of control over believers
that Watchman Nee never exemplified nor taught.
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So all of Lee's ministry is based on Nee's ministry in a very real sence.
So no, Lee is not good fruit from Nee's ministry,
rather caused much damage to Nee's good name
and to many hopeful believers around the world
by his corrupting the teachings.
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Lee exerted and taught with lsm cultist control over the members of what is usually called "the local church".
Nee never did this. (Nee was extremely accurate and true to Scripture without changing the intent or motivations or meanings of any Scripture, and without doing any violence to Scripture , YHWH'S PLAN, YHWH'S PURPOSE, or YHWH'S GRACE.
He was very strict in some ways, as in disciplined and mature in faith as YHWH accomplished much through him,
and he thoroughly explored and explained the many errors that are often present in churches and individual's lives, bringing to light, often, the root of such errors as explained in and from Scripture, YHWH'S WORD, and not man's vain philosophies or psychologies. )
One other thing is that many are saying Watchman Nee had none of his own writings but the compilation of his works there are gathered from his work as a publicist of his Christian newspaper articals that he ran for years.
Edit- Please explain what you mean - cultist control?? If you mean his is the only way take a look around the forum and count the denominations cultist control

Most of Nee's books , the good ones uncorrupt, published by CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP PUBLISHERS (probably all before 1989)
and called "the white covers" (perhaps unofficially)
were
written from meticulous notes taken by Nee's students over the years ,
probably as close to "verbatim" as any can be considered today in most any school.

There is a refreshing and vibrant and true spirit in Nee's teachings that IS NOT PRESENT in Lee's counterfeit publications and teachings he (mis-) used of Nee's.

Also a truth and stability in Nee's teachings that is straight from Scripture, not instead of Scripture, and not added to nor taken away from Scripture, but clearly and accurately in line and in HARMONY with all Scripture (more than others, btw).

Western (American) thought and life and practices are not conducive nor open to Hebrew or Chinese teachings of Scripture.

Western(American) thought and life and practices have long been known to be more self-centered, selfish, and UN-Scriptural than Hebrew, African, Russian, and Chinese Christians,
so there is much ground-breaking work that must be accomplished for the soil to be prepared, YHWH Willing.
 
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Most of Nee's books ..were written from meticulous notes taken by Nee's students over the years , probably as close to "verbatim" as any can be considered today in most any school.....<
Yes that's true as I saw members from the one time that I went to a meeting of Lee's church do the same. But I must be honest in saying that I'm not opposed to Lee's teachings either. And I don't believe the hype about anything said either way. I've heard all the stories and people are people everywhere. The teachings are still scriptural. Better than most in fact.
I haven't seen anything unscriptural in any of the books written in either of their lifetimes.
 
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Watchman Nee from The Spiritual Man

All the leadings of God are transmitted via small delicate sensations in the spirit. God never employs anything like a compulsory, overwhelming feeling to try to force man into obedience. He invariably affords us an opportunity to make our choice. Anything which is forced upon us comes not from God but is a work of the evil spirits. Until we fulfill the essentials for the working of the Holy Spirit, He will not work. Hence it necessitates more than merely waiting for His guidance. Our spirit and mind must function actively together with the Holy Spirit if we expect Him to lead us. We will walk after the spirit if we exercise our inner man to cooperate with the Holy Spirit and use as well our outer man to follow the movement or silence in our spirit.
AN OPEN MIND
Besides experiencing God's direct revelation, we also frequently receive truth through the preaching of the Word by other children of God. Such truth is first received in the intellect before it reaches the spirit. Since we make contact with the utterances or writings of others with the mind, there is hardly any possibility of this kind of truth reaching our life except through the channel of the mind. An open mind is consequently of paramount importance to spiritual life. If our brain is full of prejudice towards the truth or towards the preacher, truth will not enter it nor will it extend to our life. No wonder some believers derive no help: already have they decided what they would like to read or hear. If a Christian is familiar with the process whereby truth is translated into life he will perceive the significance of a mind being unimpeded. Truth is understood initially by the mind; next it enters and stirs the spirit; and lastly, it is manifested in practical living. A closed mind prevents truth from entering the spirit. A closed mentality is a prejudiced one; it opposes and criticizes any item differing from its idea; its notion becomes the standard of truth; anything contrary cannot be truth. Such a mentality deprives the opportunity for many of God's truths to penetrate into the man; consequently it damages the believer's spiritual life. Many experienced saints can testify to the necessity for an unprejudiced mind in regard to revelation of truth. Oftentimes enough truth has been communicated to us, but we simply have not comprehended it because of the lack of an open mind. How many are the years that God must expend in removing all obstacles before we can accept truth. An unobstructed mentality in conjunction with a free spirit aids us the most in knowing the truth. If the mind is open the individual will soon perceive the preciousness of a truth which initially appeared rather dull to him but now is illumined by the spirit's light. This is the way a child of God often receives truth: at the beginning it seems quite meaningless; after a while, though, the light of the spirit shines upon his mind and equips him to comprehend the depth of that truth. Although he may not have at his command the proper words to explain it, yet inwardly he has understood perfectly. An open mind lets in the truth, but the illumination of the spirit's light renders the truth profitable.
“The Spiritual Man”
 
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Among the many truths which we have come to believe, there is none higher than that of our being “in Christ.” This is the position the redeemed of the Lord obtain, according to the teaching of the New Testament. Nothing can be higher than this position, since the forgiveness of sins is in Christ, justification is in Christ, and sanctification is also in Christ. All spiritual blessings are in Christ. Everything is in Him. So that our being placed in Christ is a higher grace than any other we can ever receive. All that God gives to us is in His Son. Watchman Nee, The Lord My Portion
 
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The first book I read from Nee was The Spiritual Man. I had a copy on hold at the library but the clerk refused to give it to me and froze my account. It was a bizarre experience but the manager sorted it out.

I wondered what was in the book that would prompt that kind of backlash. It didn’t take long to figure it out. I purchased a copy and own several others by him.

~Bella
 
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The books Lee changed, and published by Living Stream Publishers have a wrong motivation and a type of control over believers
that Watchman Nee never exemplified nor taught.
Perhaps that explains "Spiritual Authority", which is simply heretical and wildly out of character for Nee. As for Lee, could NOT get into him. All kinds of alarms went off pretty quickly, and that was that. But Nee is superb.
 
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