Is it evil to notice that the Bible does not want us to eat poison or toxic food?

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I havnt seen any unclean meat restriction preached by any apostle.

On the contrary - in Acts 10-11 we see Peter repeatedly state that Christians are not eating rats.

hint - the rat-gospel is a false gospel. That is not why Jesus died on the cross.

Jesus did not die on the cross so that it would become healthy to eat rats.
 
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I havnt seen any unclean meat restriction preached by any apostle.
2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

Paul is referencing Isaiah:
Isaiah 52:11 Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the Lord.

The same book which contains the following:
Isaiah 66:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
Isaiah 66:15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.
Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Peter is referencing Leviticus:
Leviticus 11:44 For I am the Lord your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Leviticus 20:25 Ye shall therefore put difference between clean beasts and unclean, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean.
Leviticus 20:26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the Lord am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
 
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This is not considered the 11th commandment in the SDA church by any means - but we do not suggest turning a blind eye to the facts of nature or the responsibility you have not to drink or eat poison.
If you do you'll be throwing up. That would be the same response from your body as taking poison. This is the only thing at this time I want to address. Your argument is false.

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On the contrary - in Acts 10-11 we see Peter repeatedly state that Christians are not eating rats.

hint - the rat-gospel is a false gospel. That is not why Jesus died on the cross.

Jesus did not die on the cross so that it would become healthy to eat rats.
Your post is really sicko Bob. I could write the same thing about Wham, but I won't. :)
 
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Is it evil to notice that the Bible does not want us to eat poison or toxic food?

What? Um, it says the exact opposite. Jesus himself tells us to ingest poison.

Mark 16:18-

And these signs will accompany those who believe: ...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.

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What? Um, it says the exact opposite. Jesus himself tells us to ingest poison.

Mark 16:18-

And these signs will accompany those who believe: ...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.

Papias

Wow, all kinds of bizarre comments on this thread. Jesus didn't tell anyone to ingest poison. How in the world does someone get that from that bit of scripture?
 
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"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat(food)". Genesis 1:29.

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat(food) for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things". Genesis 9:3.

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man". Matthew 15:11.

"But I(Peter) said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not common". Acts 11:8-9.

"For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him." Romans 14:2-3.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat(food), or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day." Colossians 2:16
 
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"But I(Peter) said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not common". Acts 11:8-9.
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Oh wow! So your saying that at the time of Acts 11 (when Jesus was no longer with him bodily) Peter was shocked to hear a voice tell him that What God hath cleansed, that call not common...as if he never heard about this before?
 
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Oh wow! So your saying that at the time of Acts 11 (when Jesus was no longer with him bodily) Peter was shocked to hear a voice tell him that What God hath cleansed, that call not common...as if he never heard about this before?
I would suggest that you read Acts chapter 11. So that you may know he was speaking of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. That would encompass all living animals. Before you post some derogatory remark I would suggest that you read the Bible, so you might know what is going on in a quoted verse, sister.
 
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What do you think James is telling the Gentiles to abstain from?
Hello YLIW.

Anything that causes their brothers (Jews) to stumble.

Acts 15
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we
shall be saved, even as they.

You are saved by Grace and not by the works of the law.
 
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That is true -- As we see both Jews AND Gentiles doing in Acts 13 Sabbath after Sabbath, and in Acts 17:4 Sabbath after Sabbath and in Acts 18:4 "every Sabbath".

James mentions it -- because it is a key part of the Acts 15 solution.
Hello Bob.

Sabbath obedience is a work of the law, you are saved by Grace and not by
any work of the law.
 
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Certainly it is a choice for health reasons. Meat is becoming increasingly dangerous to eat. This has not always been the case but as time goes on it is noticed as a problem -- not just by SDA health experts.
Hello Bob.

Eating meat every night of the week is bad.

Jesus ate fish, the apostles ate fish, eating meat is not bad.
 
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"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat(food)". Genesis 1:29.

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat(food) for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things". Genesis 9:3.

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man". Matthew 15:11.

"But I(Peter) said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not common". Acts 11:8-9.

"For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him." Romans 14:2-3.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat(food), or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day." Colossians 2:16
Hello Commander.

Nice post.

I was enjoying reading the posts on this thread, so many confused people.

A collision between three competing interpretations of the scripture.

1) Jesus plus some works of the law (Sabbath + 9 commandments)
2) Jesus plus all works of the law (the entire law)
3) Saved by the Grace of Jesus Christ (no works of the law)

No one understands that we are saved by Grace and not by the works of
the law.
 
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Hello Bob.

Sabbath obedience is a work of the law, you are saved by Grace and not by
any work of the law.

Nice.. "Not taking God's name in vain and honoring your parents is a work of the Law. You are not saved by any work of the Law -- you are saved by grace".

Please make a point that actually sustains your attack on the law --- because as we all can see - what you just said does nothing to argue that either Sabbath keeping or the restriction against taking God's name in vain or the obligation to honor parents has been removed from Christians.

A point so glaringly obvious that even your own pro-sunday scholars get that Bible detail.

As has been pointed out many many times by now. So then why circle back to this???
 
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Hello Bob.

May I ask you for your informed opinion on a text in the New Testament?

Here is the text.

Acts 15
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials,
29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from
fornication. If you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.

The Gentiles were instructed by the apostles to abstain from blood.

Lev 17 does indeed make that command against eating blood. And Acts 15 does affirm it. in Genesis 7 Noah takes in the unclean animals by two's and the clean by 7's. Noah is not a Jew.

But circumcision was just for Jews. Ephesians two points out that it is the dividing wall between the two groups - and even the non-Christian Jews refer to gentiles according to Ephesians 2 as the "non circumcised".

In Acts 13 it is gentiles that are showing up "Sabbath after Sabbath" in the Synagogue for gospel preaching.

In Acts 17:4 it is the gentiles that show up in the synagogue "Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath" for gospel preaching.

In Acts 18:4 it is the gentiles that show up "every Sabbath" in the synagogue.

Acts 15 does not say "do not take God's name in vain" as we both know. So how interesting that Lev 17 is being upheld in Acts 15 - but the command against "taking God's name in vain" is not mentioned at all.

A sure sign that Acts 15 is not "deleting all of the Bible"

Acts 17:11 "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by Paul -- were so".

instead of 'they deleted the scriptures daily as Paul instructed".

(Regarding Acts 15 - and Leviticus 17 prohibiting the eating of blood)

Correct, there can be no doubt that the apostles in Jerusalem have enforced this rule on blood.

Does your church enforce the decree of the apostles or not, Bob?

My church teaches that everyone should be vegetarians and that eating blood is bad.

Is this what you were asking?

Does this prove the OT has been deleted?

Hello Bob.

We are making some progress now, thank you for your honesty.

This reply of yours is exactly what I was asking for Bob.

Though the decree of the SDA church is not what the scripture teaches us Bob.

Here is what the scripture teaches.

Genesis 9
3 Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.
4 Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.

Meat is on the menu (every moving thing), but you must drain the blood before eating it.
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As for Genesis 1 not being in scripture.

Here is what Genesis 1 says -

Gen 1
27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”

We don't have the same "delete scripture" model that you seem to be using.

Notice that the Genesis 1 command - does not negate or delete Lev 16 - it fully conforms to it by not allowing any case for eating animal blood. Is this why you consider it against scripture?

1 Cor 3
16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

Eating meat today leads to increase risk for heart disease, obesity, cancer, diabetes.

"Eating meat kills more people than previously thought"

(NewsTarget) There is no more denying it. Meat contains highly toxic substances that are responsible for many deaths and diseases. Heavy meat consumption increases your risk of dying from all causes, including heart disease and cancer, according to a federal study conducted by the National Cancer Institute and featured in Archives of Internal Medicine on Monday.
http://www.naturalnews.com/025957_meat_eating_cancer.html


This is not considered the 11th commandment in the SDA church by any means - but we do not suggest turning a blind eye to the facts of nature or the responsibility you have not to drink or eat poison.

some plants are poison - we don't recommend those either.

Now back to Eph 6:2 - see next post.

Hello Bob.

Your not being entirely truthful Bob.

Hi David - I have to admit I do prefer to think of myself as being entirely truthful.

Historically, we have learned that everything is toxic;

David -- really. Misdirection again?

What we do know is some plants are edible and others are poison. I think we can take that to the bank - and most school children would agree with us on that point.

If you want to argue that all plants kill and all foods are poison, all are toxic... I will let you start a thread on that topic and wage that lonely war as you wish.

Next you will be telling us that if you drink 20 gallons of fresh water in 5 minutes you will die - so water is also toxic and nothing should be considered off limits since we all drink water.

For now - I am just going to stick with the obvious common sense statements as I have given them.


it is only the dose that separates the toxic
from the non-toxic. Even water is toxic if a large amount (4–5 liters) is consumed.

oh no wait! you just did do that!! hahaha - that is pretty funny!

thanks. :)


meat is only harmful if eaten in 'heavy'
quantities.


By contrast we have --

http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk




Meat Consumption and Cancer Risk
The World Health Organization has determined that dietary factors account for at least 30 percent of all cancers in Western countries and up to 20 percent in developing countries. When cancer researchers started to search for links between diet and cancer, one of the most noticeable findings was that people who avoided meat were much less likely to develop the disease. Large studies in England and Germany showed that vegetarians were about 40 percent less likely to develop cancer compared to meat eaters.1-3 In the United States, researchers studied Seventh-day Adventists, a religious group that is remarkable because, although nearly all members avoid tobacco and alcohol and follow generally healthful lifestyles, about half of the Adventist population is vegetarian, while the other half consumes modest amounts of meat.




This fact allowed scientists to separate the effects of eating meat from other factors. Overall, these studies showed significant reductions in cancer risk among those who avoided meat.4 In contrast, Harvard studies showed that daily meat eaters have approximately three times the colon cancer risk, compared to those who rarely eat meat.

A number of hypotheses have been advanced to explain the connection between meat consumption and cancer risk. First, meat is devoid of fiber and other nutrients that have a protective effect. Meat also contains animal protein, saturated fat, and, in some cases, carcinogenic compounds such as heterocyclic amines (HCA) and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) formed during the processing or cooking of meat. HCAs, formed as meat is cooked at high temperatures, and PAHs, formed during the burning of organic substances, are believed to increase cancer risk. In addition, the high fat content of meat and other animal products increases hormone production, thus increasing the risk of hormone-related cancers such as breast and prostate cancer.

In 2007, the American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR) published their second review of the major studies on food, nutrition, and cancer prevention. For cancers of the oesophagus, lung, pancreas, stomach, collorectum, endometrium, and prostate, it was determined that red meat (beef, pork, or lamb) and processed meat consumption possibly increased cancer risk. For colorectal cancer, a review of the literature determined that there is convincing scientific evidence that red meat increased cancer risk and that processed meat, saturated/animal fat, and heavily cooked meat were also convincing of increased risk.5

Hello Bob.

Eating meat every night of the week is bad.

Jesus ate fish, the apostles ate fish, eating meat is not bad.


Again you simply "circle back" to a point about Jesus eating fish - a point not at all being debated - while ignoring every detail in the OP.
 
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Oh wow! So your saying that at the time of Acts 11 (when Jesus was no longer with him bodily) Peter was shocked to hear a voice tell him that What God hath cleansed, that call not common...as if he never heard about this before?

Peter gave at least two summaries of that incident - and in both HE says the point was "call no MAN unclean" while a "few" people who keep their bibles at a certain distance - would like to "imagine" that Peter was telling everyone to eat more rat sandwiches and this would be the real gospel from now on.

As if.
 
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Nice.. "Not taking God's name in vain and honoring your parents is a work of the Law. You are not saved by any work of the Law -- you are saved by grace".

Please make a point that actually sustains your attack on the law --- because as we all can see - what you just said does nothing to argue that either Sabbath keeping or the restriction against taking God's name in vain or the obligation to honor parents has been removed from Christians.

A point so glaringly obvious that even your own pro-sunday scholars get that Bible detail.

As has been pointed out many many times by now. So then why circle back to this???
Your so close to understanding the truth.
Hello Bob.
Nice.. "Not taking God's name in vain and honoring your parents is a work of the Law.
This is exactly what Paul is warning against Bob. If you for one moment think that your obedience to any
commandment (the law), some how makes you appear righteous before God, then you are under a curse.

Not honoring your parents has nothing to do with salvation by Grace.
Not eating food sacrificed to Idols, is irrelevant to salvation by Grace.
Not coveting, is of no assistance to a person saved by Grace.

If you think that for one momement, that any obedience to any law is required at all, then you fail.

You are only saved through believing in Jesus Christ.

You cannot escape Bob, using just one law, e.g., the boast, 'I have never murdered anyone'. Then you
have failed the test, you are cursed. It is not your righteousness Bob, it is the righteousness of Christ.

You cannot be saved on any other basis, than being saved through Grace and that is a free gift.

Obedience to any commandment and whatever commandment that may be, in combination with
salvation by Grace, is utter heresy.

It is never Jesus plus any commandment, never, it is saved by Jesus first, then followed by the law of Christ.
 
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Lev 17 does indeed make that command against eating blood. And Acts 15 does affirm it. in Genesis 7 Noah takes in the unclean animals by two's and the clean by 7's. Noah is not a Jew.

But circumcision was just for Jews. Ephesians two points out that it is the dividing wall between the two groups - and even the non-Christian Jews refer to gentiles according to Ephesians 2 as the "non circumcised".

In Acts 13 it is gentiles that are showing up "Sabbath after Sabbath" in the Synagogue for gospel preaching.

In Acts 17:4 it is the gentiles that show up in the synagogue "Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath" for gospel preaching.

In Acts 18:4 it is the gentiles that show up "every Sabbath" in the synagogue.

Acts 15 does not say "do not take God's name in vain" as we both know. So how interesting that Lev 17 is being upheld in Acts 15 - but the command against "taking God's name in vain" is not mentioned at all.

A sure sign that Acts 15 is not "deleting all of the Bible"

Acts 17:11 "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by Paul -- were so".

instead of 'they deleted the scriptures daily as Paul instructed".

(Regarding Acts 15 - and Leviticus 17 prohibiting the eating of blood)



My church teaches that everyone should be vegetarians and that eating blood is bad.

Is this what you were asking?

Does this prove the OT has been deleted?


...
As for Genesis 1 not being in scripture.

Here is what Genesis 1 says -

Gen 1
27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”

We don't have the same "delete scripture" model that you seem to be using.

Notice that the Genesis 1 command - does not negate or delete Lev 16 - it fully conforms to it by not allowing any case for eating animal blood. Is this why you consider it against scripture?

1 Cor 3
16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

Eating meat today leads to increase risk for heart disease, obesity, cancer, diabetes.

"Eating meat kills more people than previously thought"

(NewsTarget) There is no more denying it. Meat contains highly toxic substances that are responsible for many deaths and diseases. Heavy meat consumption increases your risk of dying from all causes, including heart disease and cancer, according to a federal study conducted by the National Cancer Institute and featured in Archives of Internal Medicine on Monday.
http://www.naturalnews.com/025957_meat_eating_cancer.html


This is not considered the 11th commandment in the SDA church by any means - but we do not suggest turning a blind eye to the facts of nature or the responsibility you have not to drink or eat poison.

some plants are poison - we don't recommend those either.

Now back to Eph 6:2 - see next post.



Hi David - I have to admit I do prefer to think of myself as being entirely truthful.



David -- really. Misdirection again?

What we do know is some plants are edible and others are poison. I think we can take that to the bank - and most school children would agree with us on that point.

If you want to argue that all plants kill and all foods are poison, all are toxic... I will let you start a thread on that topic and wage that lonely war as you wish.

Next you will be telling us that if you drink 20 gallons of fresh water in 5 minutes you will die - so water is also toxic and nothing should be considered off limits since we all drink water.

For now - I am just going to stick with the obvious common sense statements as I have given them.




oh no wait! you just did do that!! hahaha - that is pretty funny!

thanks. :)





By contrast we have --

http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk




Meat Consumption and Cancer Risk
The World Health Organization has determined that dietary factors account for at least 30 percent of all cancers in Western countries and up to 20 percent in developing countries. When cancer researchers started to search for links between diet and cancer, one of the most noticeable findings was that people who avoided meat were much less likely to develop the disease. Large studies in England and Germany showed that vegetarians were about 40 percent less likely to develop cancer compared to meat eaters.1-3 In the United States, researchers studied Seventh-day Adventists, a religious group that is remarkable because, although nearly all members avoid tobacco and alcohol and follow generally healthful lifestyles, about half of the Adventist population is vegetarian, while the other half consumes modest amounts of meat.




This fact allowed scientists to separate the effects of eating meat from other factors. Overall, these studies showed significant reductions in cancer risk among those who avoided meat.4 In contrast, Harvard studies showed that daily meat eaters have approximately three times the colon cancer risk, compared to those who rarely eat meat.

A number of hypotheses have been advanced to explain the connection between meat consumption and cancer risk. First, meat is devoid of fiber and other nutrients that have a protective effect. Meat also contains animal protein, saturated fat, and, in some cases, carcinogenic compounds such as heterocyclic amines (HCA) and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) formed during the processing or cooking of meat. HCAs, formed as meat is cooked at high temperatures, and PAHs, formed during the burning of organic substances, are believed to increase cancer risk. In addition, the high fat content of meat and other animal products increases hormone production, thus increasing the risk of hormone-related cancers such as breast and prostate cancer.

In 2007, the American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR) published their second review of the major studies on food, nutrition, and cancer prevention. For cancers of the oesophagus, lung, pancreas, stomach, collorectum, endometrium, and prostate, it was determined that red meat (beef, pork, or lamb) and processed meat consumption possibly increased cancer risk. For colorectal cancer, a review of the literature determined that there is convincing scientific evidence that red meat increased cancer risk and that processed meat, saturated/animal fat, and heavily cooked meat were also convincing of increased risk.5




Again you simply "circle back" to a point about Jesus eating fish - a point not at all being debated - while ignoring every detail in the OP.
Hello Bob.

Acts 15 - but the command against "taking God's name in vain" is not mentioned at all.
Not mentioned and for very good reason, all sin is transgression of all law, no matter which
law you choose to select. Salvation is a gift and cannot be attained through legal obedience.

You were never saved by any form of legalism, only by believing in Jesus!

Salvation is by Grace, full stop, not Jesus plus this law, or that law, that is the curse.
 
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Hello Bob.

Sabbath obedience is a work of the law, you are saved by Grace and not by
any work of the law.

Nice.. "Not taking God's name in vain and honoring your parents is a work of the Law. You are not saved by any work of the Law -- you are saved by grace".

Please make a point that actually sustains your attack on the law --- because as we all can see - what you just said does nothing to argue that either Sabbath keeping or the restriction against taking God's name in vain or the obligation to honor parents has been removed from Christians.

A point so glaringly obvious that even your own pro-sunday scholars get that Bible detail.

As has been pointed out many many times by now. So then why circle back to this???

And of course "There REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" - Heb 4 -- 'remains from what'?? --
Answer - "remains" from the time of David in Psalms 96

And for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

(More Bible details - not to be glossed over).

Your so close to understanding the truth.
Hello Bob.

This is exactly what Paul is warning against Bob. If you for one moment think that your obedience to any
commandment (the law), some how makes you appear righteous before God, then you are under a curse.

You have quoted "you" well.

now let's quote Christ.

Matt 7
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

1 John 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.



Not honoring your parents has nothing to do with salvation by Grace.
Not eating food sacrificed to Idols, is irrelevant to salvation by Grace.
Not coveting, is of no assistance to a person saved by Grace.

Nice.. "Not taking God's name in vain and honoring your parents is a work of the Law. You are not saved by any work of the Law -- you are saved by grace".

Please make a point that actually sustains your attack on the law --- because as we all can see - what you just said does nothing to argue that either Sabbath keeping or the restriction against taking God's name in vain or the obligation to honor parents has been removed from Christians.

A point so glaringly obvious that even your own pro-sunday scholars get that Bible detail.


If you think that for one momement, that any obedience to any law is required at all, then you fail.

Again - you have "quoted you well".


now lets quote God ..


You are only saved through believing in Jesus Christ.
And yet --

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping God's Commandments" --

Rebellion against the Law of God is the "sign" the "fruit" of being lost Romans 8:4-9


1 John 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
 
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