Did Christ come to establish a NEW covenant or renew the OLD covenant?

@BABerean2

Why did they start doing it on the first day of the week?

Breaking bread does not mean to celebrate the Eucharist, like some people call it. I call it remembering Jesus and His death at the cross.

Paul, ex Saul, a jew, new well what the Sabbath meant, but why did he tell them to gather those things for the people of Jerusalem?

Also why the Christians were called that way in Antioch first and not in Jerulamem?

Was there a problem between the judaisers and the followers of Jesus? WHY?

Is in the scriptures.

Forgot to ...for the people of Jerusalem to do it on the first day of the week?

@BABerean2

Everyday is not a sabbath for a Christian, only the seventh day.

You need to work those other 6 days. What does the word says about those that do not work?

Those that believe in Jesus and in God will rest everyday after Revelation:22.

Eternal Rest. Not now because your body is still corruptible and we need to change it.

How will we change our bodies?

We can not do it.

Who can and how, and when, where, what, and why?

@bugkiller

I thank you brother because you, so far, has been the ONLY person that mentioned anything about the post I wrote about the statistics, icons and names.

God bless you my brother.

One question, did you get what I wrote on #16 and my story about the traffic ticket?

amadeois said:

@BABerean2

Everyday is not a sabbath for a Christian, only the seventh day.

You need to work those other 6 days. What does the word says about those that do not work?

Those that believe in Jesus and in God will rest everyday after Revelation:22.

Eternal Rest. Not now because your body is still corruptible and we need to change it.

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I did not know you were a direct descendant of Jacob.

Exo 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.



I do not know if you realize that it is the "sign" of a broken covenant.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

That covenant was only fulfilled by Christ.

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Dkh587 said:

I'm glad you partially agree. Loving God and loving our neighbor is explained in God's commandments. So the way to love God is to keep His commandments regarding loving him, and loving your neighbor.

Part of loving God is keeping the Shabbat and His Feast days

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This is how to love God.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

amadeois said:

@BABerean2

Everyday is not a sabbath for a Christian, only the seventh day.

You need to work those other 6 days. What does the word says about those that do not work?

Those that believe in Jesus and in God will rest everyday after Revelation:22.

Eternal Rest. Not now because your body is still corruptible and we need to change it.

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In these verses it says it's more important to listen to Jesus than to work, which is studying the bible, even though we all see something different.
Luke chapter 10


38 As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him. 39 She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what he said. 40 But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, “Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!”

41 “Martha, Martha,” the Lord answered, “you are worried and upset about many things, 42 but few things are needed—or indeed only one.[a] Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.”

disciple1 said:

Is what I said off, didn't God establish the new covenant because he found fault with the people, the old covenant would have worked if the people mixed love with faith.
Leviticus 19


9 “When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. 10 And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.

11 “You shall not steal; you shall not deal falsely; you shall not lie to one another. 12 You shall not swear by my name falsely, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.

13 “You shall not oppress your neighbor or rob him. The wages of a hired worker shall not remain with you all night until the morning. 14 You shall not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block before the blind, but you shall fear your God: I am the Lord.

15 “You shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor. 16 You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not stand up against the life[a] of your neighbor: I am the Lord.

17 “You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him. 18 You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

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I'm sorry but it seems to me you have no idea of the reason for the law.

BTW I have no idea how you got all this because of my post.

bugkiller

disciple1 said:

Here's why I believed it failed, because so many misused the law, and pursued the law to make them righteous as they still try and fail.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

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I believe it was planed failure -

17 O Lord, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance. Isa 63

bugkiller

yeshuaslavejeff said:

That's what people do today to.
Even with the new covenant.
So for many people , the new covenant fails too.
So how and why did the old covenant failed?
Scripture says clearly why - it fails exactly as planned.
How many times did the sacrifices have to be made for sin ?
After the sacrifices were accomplished completely correctly,
how long was a man, even a priest or high priest in Israel, free from the penalty of sin ?

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Why are you saying the NC fails too?

bugkiller

Travis93 said:

Ezekiel 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Ezekiel 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Ezekiel 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

In the future God will put a new spirit in the people of Israel to cause them to walk in the Torah perfectly, and all of them will be gathered in their land rather than some of them still being dispersed through the countries as today. This was clearly not fulfilled during the first century, it is a yet future event.

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Your verses have nothing to do with the NC.

bugkiller

Travis93 said:

That's right, no distinction between Jew and Gentile.
Leviticus 24:22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.

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Yes and Amen!! Unfortunately I'm not a stranger in Israel.

1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

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This is not a call to observe the law.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

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Wouldn't want you to miss that little word. Your view is sin is only transgression of the law. You must not have read Rom 5:13 nor Gal 3:19.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

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This isn't enforcement of the law.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

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Why yeppers!!! Why is it you refuse so much of it?

We are called to imitate Jesus, who kept the law. The law is not voided by faith, and being part of scripture makes it useful instruction for us.

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No because of - If you love Me, keep My commandments. Those commandments are not those of the law. Sorry but Jesus (God, Himself) trumps anything you say.

bugkiller

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Just like little children imitate their fathers every day.
We learn how to do laundry, cook, wash dishes, cut the grass.... (the younger this occurs the better)
more importantly (neglected by 'everyone' , even the remnant! , except for rare few)
to love the TRUTH. Always love the TRUTH. Always TRUST GOD and LOVE TRUTH. By JESUS GRACE>
ALWAYS tell the TRUTH and LOVE TRUTH. NEVER COMPROMISE.
When little children are taught this (raised right)
especially from conception (yes, in the womb, immersed in Yhwh, immersed in TRUTH)
and all the days from the day they're born,
then later they will not depart far from it. (there's not been enough raised this way to know if any do depart far from it or not later in life)

Back to topic: little children trained right from birth, continue doing what they are trained, living right, even after
they leave home to travel (if they leave).

They don't start burning down houses, shooting people, getting depressed, (vexed(by society) yes, but NOT depressed), rebelling violently against government, stealing , cheating, lying.....

Rather they build houses, heal people, give joy and healing to everyone who comes to them, reject society, continue in overflowing JOY and PEACE and RIGHTEOUSNESS, submit to and obey the government AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, never steal, never cheat, never lie.....

Just as they are taught. That's what they continue doing.

except the ones , if ever, who become criminals - lawless ones - breaking the law and disregarding everything they learned growing up.

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What fantasy land do you live in?

bugkiller

Travis93 said:

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

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Are you talking about someone here at CF?

bugkiller

yeshuaslavejeff said:

You are such a strange one.
Do you commit adultery ? Travis does not.
Do you lie, cheat and steal ? (probably not knowingly) Travis does not.
Do you worship other gods ? (probably not knowingly) I doubt Travis does.

If Travis breaks the law, if I break the law, what happens ? We repent. See? is that so hard to understand?

IF YOU break the law, DO YOU REPENT ?

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So you have worthless law that can be voided by false repentance. Some here have the gall to talk about cheap grace.

bugkiller

amadeois said:

@BABerean2

Shabbat = a shadow

Shabbat means rest and

What is the eternal rest?

An ETERNAL SHABBAT.

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Don't know , but Jesus offered rest to those who kept the Sabbath. So it must be evident they did not have rest even though they kept the Sabbath.

bugkiller

amadeois said:

@BABerean2

Everyday is not a sabbath for a Christian, only the seventh day.

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Where do you get this?

bugkiller

amadeois said:

@bugkiller

I thank you brother because you, so far, has been the ONLY person that mentioned anything about the post I wrote about the statistics, icons and names.

God bless you my brother.

One question, did you get what I wrote on #16 and my story about the traffic ticket?

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Yeah, so what's yer point? Is Jeremiah a false prophet?

bugkiller

@bugkiller

You need to buy eye salve my friend.

Peace and grace be with you.