What's so wrong about wanting to die?

LonelyTraveler · Jul 2, 2016

When one can objectively determine that he/she is replaceable and that their life is unnecessary, why go through the misery of living? If you feel your faith is sufficient for Christ to save you, aren't you doing yourself a favor by dying? I'm not meaning to sound flippant, but this living is for the birds. Five minutes after I call my job to say that I'm checking out, I'm replaced and forgotten. The sum total of the worth of my belongings probably won't hit a grand. I went to a dance club tonight and the only person who asked if I was OK was the waitress, but she was just wanting me to order something, and I'll be doggone if I was going to support her wearing "shorts" that were beyond short. Put some clothes on for Pete's sake.

Everybody wants to go to Heaven. So what's so wrong about wanting to die? Doesn't Paul say "To live is Christ and to die is gain."? That going to Christ was far greater, but he wanted to stay because he was useful to the believers. I'm done. This being here on earth just doesn't fit me. But people get their hackles up when I tell them I want out. What's the big deal to them anyway?

dysert · Jul 2, 2016

I can't think of anything that's wrong with *wanting* to die (I've been there myself), but to actually do the deed is a different matter. I believe that suicide is contrary to the will of God, who owns the life of a Christian and will terminate it when He's ready to. So we can long to "go home" but we shouldn't take it upon ourselves to hasten the time.

Take Heart · Jul 2, 2016

Hey brother..I've definitely felt the same way as well. I wanted to quit my job due to daily bullying I experienced there for a good 3-4 years. By the end of those years, it had left a traumatic impression on me and I was no longer the same person after that. I wanted so badly to end my life. Even thought of the letters to give my family, coworkers, and friends. I was dead set on ending it. But that was before I accepted Christ. Before going through with it, I reached out to Christ as my last resort.. for Him to help me..if not, then I didn't see any point in going on any longer. So I prayed, I asked Him to forgive me of my sins, asked Him for help, to change my life..and the weight of the whole world left my shoulders. I could feel His love..I felt like something in me shifted. The Holy Spirit now indwelled me and I was suddenly thirsty for Him. I needed to know everythign about Him.
My point of all of this is that.. I strongly believe that God did not want me to take my own life that night. He wanted something more for me. And He wants something more for you. To be more accurate, He has something more planned out for you. I know it's hard to see that there is hope beyond our current circumstances. That things will ever change for the good..
I would have laughed at anyone's face for suggesting that my depression, anxiety, and panic attacks would be healed in time. I would have laughed at anyone for saying God will provide a job, help me in college for nursing after so many failed courses.
I wouldn't have known had I forfeited everything altogether that night. You may be replaceable at your job, but you are not replaceable in a loved ones eyes. You are not replaceable in the sight of God. He designed you from the beginning for a purpose. You may not see that purpose right now. You may not even feel like there's a purpose. And I totally understand because I felt like everything was bleak, hopeless, and never going to change. But clearly.. God had plans for me and is still working in my life to bring about good from so many years of bullying. Trust that God will bring about good in your life too. He wants to bring about good in your life, to heal your broken heart, your hurts, your pain...and one day..use your testimony of getting through some really crap situations by His grace..in order to help someone who will be/is currently struggling through the same things.

I'm going to paste a blog entry that I wrote about something that relates to your situation. And I highly recommend watching the video at the end-I have watched it countless times and it is powerful:

Sometimes, I catch myself bullying myself.. in my mind. I can agree to the enemy's lies and say to myself "yeah, you are worthless, yeah there's no hope for you.." or I can stand on the Rock of truth and Life and fight back. That's where the battle begins- in the mind.

You can replay a horrible incident that happened today or yesterday..or years ago in your mind and feel the same old feelings of how you felt as if that incident happened right at this very moment. We tend to unintentionally relive those experiences of our past hurts and what's been said and done to us. And then the door for the enemy slowly inches its way open more and more as you dwell on those thoughts and live in that negativity of the emotions it conjures up, and the enemy takes that perfect opportunity to get past your defences [being alert, remembering who you are in Christ, having faith in God's word instead of having faith in the enemy's lies] in order to attack you.
How does the enemy like to attack us? Well first..it starts in our thoughts. Once we dwell on negative situations/circumstances..past hurts, etc.. the enemy condemns you [especially if you've sinned/kept repeating the same old sin], lies to you in order to get you believing that God hates you, is far from you, no longer loves you, can no longer forgive you, that Jesus' blood isn't strong enough to cover ALL your sins, that you will never have hope, that you'll never be healed, that you'll never get a job, that you'll never find love, that you'll never have purpose, that you'll never do this or that..and it's like.. we eat that stuff up like it's all the food that we're given. Don't let the enemy have access to you like that- to a child of the Most High.

But we have another food given to us..and that's the Bread of Life. That's Jesus Christ. We have living water and that's the Holy Spirit- our Comforter and Helper. Greater is He Who is in you than he who is in the world. FIGHT BACK! Our battle is not against flesh and blood but against principalities and wickedness is high places. YES, you may be wounded, YES you may be weak, YES you may feel worn and tired, YES you may be down..but you're not out. You need to grit your spiritual teeth and grab hold onto the sword of the spirit which is the Word of God. And don't forget to take your shield of faith so that you can extinguish ALL the fiery darts of the wicked one. If I had complete faith in my God [the Creator of the universe and everything therein, by the way], no circumstance.. no words of hatred hurled my way, no past, no sins can even shake me or my foundation which is rooted in God's truths and promises. Do not be deceived brothers and sisters. God is for you; not against you. Don't quit. Don't surrender to the darkness or the enemy's lies. DO NOT surrender God's truths of you or of His character to the enemy's lies and condemnation. ARMOUR UP, soldiers! This is a spiritual battle we're up against. And this can only be won with Jesus Christ. You hold the battle field until God comes and takes over. You stand your ground and REFUSE to surrender your faith in God. God doesn't want you to be discouraged. God doesn't want you to give up. God even goes so far as to COMMAND IT!
"Have I not commanded you? BE STRONG AND COURAGEOUS [in the Lord]! Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go."

I know I may sound like a broken record to some of you by now [since most of my blog entries are about persevering and not giving up], but today..I came across someone who wants to commit suicide. I pray that you will lift him up in your prayers. Lord, please lift up any depression amongst those who are going through this. Please lift up and heal every single hurt they have in their hearts from their past. Whether self-inflicted or by others. Please wrap your loving arms around them in comfort and protection. Please bind the enemy, Holy Father, and protect them from the enemy's lies and attacks. Give them strength and renew their minds and perspective so that they can focus solely on You, Lord. In the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I ask these things..Amen. ♥

This video below will also solidify what I've just typed out. It has a beautiful message at the end of it. Please have a look if you're struggling and want some encouragement.

God bless.

Love you all in Christ.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1122264351124666

1watchman · Jul 2, 2016

LonelyTraveler said:
When one can objectively determine that he/she is replaceable and that their life is unnecessary, why go through the misery of living? If you feel your faith is sufficient for Christ to save you, aren't you doing yourself a favor by dying? I'm not meaning to sound flippant, but this living is for the birds. Five minutes after I call my job to say that I'm checking out, I'm replaced and forgotten. The sum total of the worth of my belongings probably won't hit a grand. I went to a dance club tonight and the only person who asked if I was OK was the waitress, but she was just wanting me to order something, and I'll be doggone if I was going to support her wearing "shorts" that were beyond short. Put some clothes on for Pete's sake.

Everybody wants to go to Heaven. So what's so wrong about wanting to die? Doesn't Paul say "To live is Christ and to die is gain."? That going to Christ was far greater, but he wanted to stay because he was useful to the believers. I'm done. This being here on earth just doesn't fit me. But people get their hackles up when I tell them I want out. What's the big deal to them anyway?

The "big deal" in dying without being saved for Heaven, is that one will not be there, but eternally condemned in Hell. One better read the Gospels and Romans and see what God says about salvation before it is too late! Now, if one is eternally saved by the new birth, then that one is called to live for Christ and witness to others until God chooses to take one out of this world. Carnal reasoning about these things is only the deceit of Satan to get one to choose death.

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LonelyTraveler · Jul 3, 2016

I do appreciate the replies. My prayer has always been for God to guide me where He wants me to go. And there have been times when I knew He answered. I was offered a job that required me to move in a short time. And things fell into place so smoothly that it had to be from Him. Then later on the job became inhospitable and I was able to move back home, and again, things went so smoothly that it had to be Him. I mean, I interviewed for a job in khaki shorts and a beat up t-shirt with a guy I'd never met, and he hired me without consulting who would become my boss.

But in the past 10 years He has given me a wife who was the only woman I'd ever dated, then took my mother, then isolated me from what little of my family that still lives, then took my wife along with most of my belongings, and placed me in a shoebox apartment with a career that saves lives with no recognition whatsoever. It would seriously take weeks for anyone to notice that I'm gone, even longer if I set up the monthly bills to be automatically paid. Did God betray my trust? I know He doesn't promise Christians a pleasurable life here, but a hug now and then and a hand to hold would be nice.

Good discussion, y'all.

dysert · Jul 3, 2016

LonelyTraveler said:
Did God betray my trust? I know He doesn't promise Christians a pleasurable life here, but a hug now and then and a hand to hold would be nice.

I can relate to some of what you said, Lonely. The question is, what are we trusting God for? Obviously, if we're trusting Him for an easy life, a pleasurable life, a fulfilling life, we're not trusting for the right thing. I've come to the conclusion, right or wrong, that we can only trust God for eternal life. Anything else, and we're setting ourselves up for disappointment. My experience has been that life, in general, stinks. I'm eager to go Home, and I don't like the fact that I have to put up with all of life's crap all the time. Meanwhile, I recognize I feel this way coming from the richest country in the world, in one of the richest counties in that country, with a well-paying job, and all the other first-world amenities that I'm blessed with. How can I be miserable when there are millions of people in the third world singing praises to God from their mud huts? It's very convicting to think of how much of a spoiled brat I am.

Firefly24 · Jul 23, 2016

I must ask. Where in the Bible does it say Suicide is a sin? I know many people who have and I would truly love a clear answer. I also think of this an awful lot. Thank you.

dysert · Jul 23, 2016

Firefly24 said:
I must ask. Where in the Bible does it say Suicide is a sin? I know many people who have and I would truly love a clear answer. I also think of this an awful lot. Thank you.

It doesn't specifically say that suicide is a sin, but it does say that committing murder is a sin (think Ten Commandments). Suicide is committing murder against yourself.

Not only that, but God is the "owner" of life. He gives it when He wants to and He takes it when He wants to. For you to take it yourself is like you putting yourself in God's place, which is also prohibited by the Ten Commandments.

Paul808 · Aug 1, 2016

Suicide is a sin. A normal person cannot commit suicide.

dysert · Aug 1, 2016

Paul808 said:
Suicide is a sin. A normal person cannot commit suicide.

How do you define "normal"?

Celticroots · Aug 12, 2016

Having lost someone to suicide, this is topic touches a nerve for me. I don't believe someone goes to Hell for committing suicide. It boils down to whether they have accepted Christ's sacrifice, repented, and have a relationship with Him. That is the determining factor of whether someone goes to Heaven or Hell.

A lot of the time suicide is due to mental illness, especially depression. Depression is a mental illness. Sometimes, even with medication other treatments, etc. Depression can be overwhelming and mess with the person's mind so much. They aren't in their right mind.

Since God knows our hearts, I believe He isn't black-and-white regarding suicide because He would know what things drove the person to do it. And if they have a relationship with Him. A person with a mental illness can have a strong, close relationship with Christ as much as anyone with a physical illness He wouldn't send someone to Hell for having cancer. But based on whether they accepted Christ and repented.

It's the same with mental illness. The ignorance regarding mental illness/suicide among Christians is ridiculous.

1watchman · Aug 17, 2016

People choose to believe a lot of things, but the only thing that matters is what God says. Stay close to God and read His Word daily for the path of blessing ---now and for eternity. One needs to walk and talk with the Lord Jesus always to have any connection with our Creator-God.

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