Posting here because MacroEvolution requires faith due to evidence being nonexistent. Why do people take this as fact and not faith? At least Christians take our religion as fact and faith.
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no missing link.
kinds don't change into something else.
trees standing straight through time i.e. "triassic, jurassic, cretaceous periods"
last one is evidence against it actually
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Fossils are simply snapshots. They can't convey the idea of movement from System A to System B.
I can't define "kind" myself, but I agree that one kind doesn't become a different kind.
I don't know what you're talking about with the trees.
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You can't see a clear progression. they set them up in the order they like, then get the carbon dating equipment out and test it until they have a answer that fits to their liking.
Created kind. A kind is the animal type God created.
How about layers upon layers being bent?
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If what you are hoping to find is evidence of a cat-dog that shows that cats can become dogs then you really don't have a clue what you're talking about in the first place; as such I can see why you wouldn't be posting this over in the science boards, you'd get eaten alive with this kind of silliness.
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I believe my Bible just fine. I just don't accept the Young Earth Creationist interpretation of the Bible. If you want to discuss this further, however, it should go into one of the appropriate boards.
http://www.christianforums.com/forums/creation-evolution.70/
http://www.christianforums.com/forums/creation-theistic-evolution.143/
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Are dogs and wolves the same kind or different kinds? How about chimpanzees and bonobos? Horses and donkeys and zebras? Was homo habilus an ape kind or a man kind?
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You never learned about plate tectonics in school? Never? Never heard about how earthquakes due to plates of the earth moving gradually throw layers of rock up into mountains, flipping them over and on top of each other and all sort of stuff?
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They are all different kinds. The way you can tell is to look at the offspring. Dogs beget other dogs; wolves beget other wolves; etc. I don't have a strict definition for kind, but I know it when I see it. A dog is different from a wolf. A chimp is different from a bonobo.
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Dogs and wolves can and do interbreed and their offspring interbreed. Science considers them the same species. Dogs are basically wolves that have been inbred for immaturity.
Chimps and bonobos interbreed in captivity with difficulty, but not in the wild. Thus they are considered separate species, but only just barely -- their speciation is very, very recent.
A horse and a donkey can interbreed. The offspring is called a mule. But that mule is sterile. Because the offspring is sterile, horses and donkeys are said to be separate species. The fact that they can even produce a sterile offspring underscores the fact that they evolved from a common ancestor.
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I'd say they are different kinds because they are different breeds. (No, I can't provide a precise definition of "breed" either.) Chihuahuas beget other chihuahuas, and German shepherds beget other German shepherds.
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Or perhaps the evidence is being misinterpreted. For instance, I see the beauty, complexity, and functional ecosystems all around me and it screams of a Creator. However, others see the same things and it indicates to them that a bunch of genetic mutations over millions of years brought us to where we are. Same evidence, different conclusions.
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Oh my goodness! So you understand that they can have puppies and those puppies can have puppies?
So you can start with one kind of dog, and breed it into two kinds? Does that mean you accept evolution? LOL
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No, you can't start with *one* dog - it takes two to tango. I believe that before the world became corrupt long ago, that God created German shepherds and that the shepherds only interbred with other shepherds, thus keeping the German shepherd its own kind. After the Fall, things went haywire, and you have poodles interbreeding with cocker spaniels, etc. That muddies the water quite a bit.
This whole talk of "kinds" reminds me of the famous US Supreme Court case (Jacobellis v. Ohio) where the justice said something to the effect of, "I can't define hard-core inappropriate contentography, but I know it when I see it". I'm the same way with "kinds".
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I edited the post to say one breed. My bad.
If you go back 200 years, there were no German Shepherds. German Shepherds are artificially bred with other German shepherds BY HUMANS. By their own choice, they will interbreed with any other dog -- and wolves! Dog breeds only exist because humans artificially breed them to exist. Dogs exist because humans domesticated wolves. In the last 50 years, we domesticated foxes too. All domesticated animals were once wild animals that have been bred by humans for gentleness and sociability with humans (and in some cases, fatness or strength, etc.). For example, the Muskox was domesticated in the 1960's; now it will be bred for characteristics that make it more docile.
If having sex were only the result of the fall (IOW they were sinning) it wouldn't produce fertile offspring. Think about it.
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