Faith in the Name of Jesus?

hhodgson said:

Hmm! Do I take my sharpie marker and remove this passage...?

Acts 3:16
"Through faith in the name of Jesus, this man was healed--and you know how crippled he was before. Faith in Jesus' name has healed him before your very eyes."
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GraceWalker said:

Hey everyone,

I've been consuming the teachings of E.W. Kenyon and really enjoying them over the last few months. While reading his book "the Wonderful Name of Jesus" I discovered he had an interesting take on faith and using the name of Jesus.

He does not say, "If we believe," or "if we have faith."
This Name has been given to us. It is ours! What is mine, I do
not need faith to use. When we are born into the Family of
God, the right to use the Name and the privilege to use it comes
with the new birth. All the authority vested in that Name is
given to us to bring glory to the Name of the Father, that the
Father may he glorified in the Son. (p.18)

You will notice he does not stop even to pray for a sick
one all he does is to say, "In Jesus' Name, rise and walk." There
is no hint that he attempted to exercise what we call "faith" in
any manner; it reduced itself to a simple business proposition
with the Early Church, they remembered what the Master said
and what He said, was true, to them. (p. 35)

I cannot see where we need to have any special Faith to
use the Name of Jesus, because it is legally ours. If I had a
thousand dollars in the bank, it would not require any
conscious act of Faith on my part to write a check for one
hundred, but if I wanted to draw eleven hundred dollars where
I only had one thousand on deposit, that might require Faith. (p. 47)

Use that Name with the same freedom that you use your
check book.
The money is on deposit; you write the check without
exercising any special faith; that is, you are not conscious of
exercising it, you do though. And in the use of Jesus' Name,
you do exercise Faith, it is the unconscious faith, the faith that
is borne in upon us by evidences that convince us beyond the
shadow of a doubt. (p. 50)

These are just a few examples. He goes onto explain the use of the Name is part of the program much like the resurrection. He explains we won't have to exercise faith to be resurrected it's just part of the salvation package.

What are your thoughts on his ideas? How does it compare to WOF ministers today?

Look forward to your thoughts. I don't post much, but I'm reading your conversations daily.

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now faith said:

You know when our conclusions are tested often we find that our conclusions are wrong.
Let's see if we find the same conclusion on this passage:

Matthew: 18. 18. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Some say there are no guarantees on healing until we get to Heaven.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but why would we have the need for healing in Heaven?

God does not change,what he has given in his Word we cannot change nor will our opinion matter.
Kenyon's teaching was controversial due to a lack of understanding by his critics.

There are things that people simply cannot comprehend, so to them they must be wrong why?

Because they have been indoctrinated by a theocracy of post reformed theology, and no matter what that was handed down for generations.

It's all a means of controlling the flock,if a Church member mentioned believers authority, that puts the power in yours and God's hands.

So the Preacher who sheers his flock at his good pleasure ,wants to keep the pressure on keep them in fear of a God of vengeance.

No one stops and questions the theology that is added to God's Word.
What I say may not be recieved, but I am extending courtesy on your behalf, in hopes that you will seek the truth of God's Word.

God's Word will not return void:

Isaiah: 55. 4. Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people. 5. Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee. 6. Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: 7. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 8. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11. So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. 12. For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. 13. Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.

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tdidymas said:

Bro, you told me in so many words to get out, because you don't want anyone to object to your teaching here. Your slant on scripture doesn't edify me, and the more I read of Kenyon, the more I am convinced that it is spiritually poisonous. If you want me to explain, I'm willing to do it, but if not, then I'll say goodbye to this forum, and may God bless all with the undeniable truth.
TD

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tdidymas said:

Bro, you told me in so many words to get out, because you don't want anyone to object to your teaching here. Your slant on scripture doesn't edify me, and the more I read of Kenyon, the more I am convinced that it is spiritually poisonous. If you want me to explain, I'm willing to do it, but if not, then I'll say goodbye to this forum, and may God bless all with the undeniable truth.
TD

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GraceWalker said:

Hey everyone,

I've been consuming the teachings of E.W. Kenyon and really enjoying them over the last few months. While reading his book "the Wonderful Name of Jesus" I discovered he had an interesting take on faith and using the name of Jesus.

He does not say, "If we believe," or "if we have faith."
This Name has been given to us. It is ours! What is mine, I do
not need faith to use. When we are born into the Family of
God, the right to use the Name and the privilege to use it comes
with the new birth. All the authority vested in that Name is
given to us to bring glory to the Name of the Father, that the
Father may he glorified in the Son. (p.18)

You will notice he does not stop even to pray for a sick
one all he does is to say, "In Jesus' Name, rise and walk." There
is no hint that he attempted to exercise what we call "faith" in
any manner; it reduced itself to a simple business proposition
with the Early Church, they remembered what the Master said
and what He said, was true, to them. (p. 35)

I cannot see where we need to have any special Faith to
use the Name of Jesus, because it is legally ours. If I had a
thousand dollars in the bank, it would not require any
conscious act of Faith on my part to write a check for one
hundred, but if I wanted to draw eleven hundred dollars where
I only had one thousand on deposit, that might require Faith. (p. 47)

Use that Name with the same freedom that you use your
check book.
The money is on deposit; you write the check without
exercising any special faith; that is, you are not conscious of
exercising it, you do though. And in the use of Jesus' Name,
you do exercise Faith, it is the unconscious faith, the faith that
is borne in upon us by evidences that convince us beyond the
shadow of a doubt. (p. 50)

These are just a few examples. He goes onto explain the use of the Name is part of the program much like the resurrection. He explains we won't have to exercise faith to be resurrected it's just part of the salvation package.

What are your thoughts on his ideas? How does it compare to WOF ministers today?

Look forward to your thoughts. I don't post much, but I'm reading your conversations daily.

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GraceWalker said:

Even though I get what you are saying, you still have this verse...

And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. (Acts 3:16)

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Geralt said:

"in his name" or "in the name" is NOT really about the "name" but rather a pronouncement of speaking or representing or invoking authority, much like a roman messenger standing in the plaza or market announcing "in the name of the emperor, this are his latest decrees, etc..".

thus with the episode in Acts where Peter healed the crippled man who has no faith at all nor know Jesus, Peter himself healed "in the name of Jesus" or simply saying "in the authority and power of Jesus..".

thus v16, "faith in his name" -> is actually Peter's faith, not the man. the man didn't even desire or expected healing, nor was willing to stand until Peter grabbed his hand. and the healing is neither by the "name" as plainly understood like a name, but done under the authority and power of Jesus himself. Peter has no power, nor the name said like a spell has any power.

the object of the faith of Peter is still Jesus whom he loved and knew and who gave him the authority and power in his behalf to spread the gospel and do miracles.

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GraceWalker said:

Even though I get what you are saying, you still have this verse...

And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all. (Acts 3:16)

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Si_monfaith said:

Not all verses represent the truth in the highest degree.

The whole truth is seen in Paul's verses but even he, at quite a few places, addresses people who cannot understand the whole, with scary warnings like the prophets in the old covenant.

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Geralt said:

you do realize that the object of faith is not a "name" or "in the name", but a person thus using "faith in the name of Jesus" rather than "faith in Jesus" becomes more like a pagan spell. For there is no power in the name, but in Jesus himself. and thus proper, faith is directed to Jesus the Son of God, rather than in his name.

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now faith said:

Your statement about truth is a paradoxical statement.
Truth has no elements of degree truth is absolute.

I understand what you are saying in that truth is revelent to understanding.

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