Noahs flood.

Colter said:

Prehistoric people who were not human?

The devil arrived on Noah's ark?

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Genesis does mention the Nephilim who were half human half angel.
As for the Devil needing an ark to survive, that presupposes that he could be destroyed by water.
The rest of the rebel angels escaped into the spirit realm as the book of Jude points out.
Their hybrid offspring perished.
So you are right, this idea is indeed strange.


Yes, I am familiar with the other interpretation of who the sons of God are thought to have been.
But I find the biblical evidence in support of this interpretation more compelling.

Colter said:

Prehistoric people who were not human?

The devil arrived on Noah's ark?

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The sons of God were Not Humans (descendants of Adam) since they did NOT have the superior intelligence which only God and Adam had in the beginning.

Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man [Heb-Adam] is become as one of US, [The Trinity] to know good and evil:

The legal system does NOT put animals on trial since they do not know good from evil. Instead, they put their Human owners on trial. It's the difference between innocent animals and Humans with the ability to Judge between good and evil. It's also the reason Humans must face Judgment.

No, the devil got to planet Earth, but since he is a fallen Angel, the only way he could get here physically, was inside the hollow firmament or solid boundary of Adam's world, which contained Adam's Earth and the Ark. Today, the solid firmament is under 11k years of volcanic sediment in Lake Van, Turkey. The firmament sank, thus releasing the Ark into the Lake on the 150th day after the flood began. Gen 7:24 AND Gen 8:4

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God [prehistoric people] came to present themselves before the LORD, [Jesus] and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. Job 2:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Radrook said:

Genesis does mention the Nephilim who were half human half angel.
As for the Devil needing an ark to survive, that presupposes that he could be destroyed by water.
The rest of the rebel angels escaped into the spirit realm as the book of Jude points out.
Their hybrid offspring perished.
So you are right, this idea is indeed strange.

Yes, I am familiar with the other interpretation of who the sons of God are thought to have been.
But I find the biblical evidence in support of this interpretation more compelling.

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The devil wasn't in the Ark but instead, was inside the firmament or boundary of Adam's world.

Sorry, but Angels don't marry or have sex according to Jesus. Mat 22:30 Also, they are bound in chains under darkness:

Jde 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Aman777 said:

The devil wasn't in the Ark but instead, was inside the firmament or boundary of Adam's world.

Sorry, but Angels don't marry or have sex according to Jesus. Mat 22:30 Also, they are bound in chains under darkness:

Jde 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

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True, faithful angels keep within the boundaries se by God and marriage isn't allowed. Neither do faithful angels posses people and force them to do things contrary to their own will. However, unfaithful angels have done such things.

The imprisonment or restriction described in the book of Jude occurred after they had disobeyed by having unnatural relations with women.That is what constituted the abandonment of their first estate. That is described a few verses before the reference to the detainment in Tartarus, often erroneously translated as hell, is mentioned. Indeed, it is compared to what those in Sodom and Gomorrah had done.

Jude 1:
6And the angels who did not stay within their own domain, but abandoned their proper dwelling, He keeps under darkness, in eternal chains for judgment on that great day. 7In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire.…
Berean Study Bible

Radrook said:

As for the Devil needing an ark to survive, that presupposes that he could be destroyed by water.

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It may not have been normal water.

Aman777 said:

The flood waters stayed for 150 days or 5 months and every living creature died and Adam's Earth was clean dissolved. Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

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This may refer to the ecosystem rather than soil.
I'm not sure minerals were the problem to be fixed.

1. The Bible's definition of the "sons of God" is given in such Scriptures as Job 2:1 and Job 38:7 where the "sons of God" clearly are God's angels.
2. Angels can assume human form (Gen. 19, etc.) and when they do they appear as males.
3. II Peter 2:4 and Jude 6 say that some of the evil angels before the Flood left their proper abode (i.e. heaven)

BTW
Yes, I am familiar with the Urantia Book and its sinister sources.
However, as a Christian I am expected to give more credence to the Biblical account and to avoid the occult. So thanks but no thanks.

SkyWriting said:

This may refer to the ecosystem rather than soil.
I'm not sure minerals were the problem to be fixed.

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Weird concept that God would be creating problems that needed to be fixed.

Radrook said:

1. The Bible's definition of the "sons of God" is given in such Scriptures as Job 2:1 and Job 38:7 where the "sons of God" clearly are God's angels.
2. Angels can assume human form (Gen. 19, etc.) and when they do they appear as males.
3. II Peter 2:4 and Jude 6 say that some of the evil angels before the Flood left their proper abode (i.e. heaven)

BTW
Yes, I am familiar with the Urantia Book and its sinister sources.
However, as a Christian I am expected to give more credence to the Biblical account and to avoid the occult. So thanks but no thanks.

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I understand, that was the motivation the Jews had for rejecting Jesus. Every revelation of truth is confronted by the narrow minds of those who created religions out of preveous revelations. The prophets were always frowned upon by the priestly elite in their day. Christianity began as a small cult inside Judaism. Jesus had warned his followers to get out of Jerusalem when the false prophets were overtaken by Gentile vengeance.

Strong's Concordance
shamayim: heaven, sky
Original Word: שָׁמַ֫יִם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: shamayim
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-mah'-yim)
Short Definition: heaven
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/8064.htm

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
air, astrologer, heavens
Dual of an unused singular shameh {shaw-meh'}; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve) -- air, X astrologer, heaven(-s).

Used in reference to the sky where birds fly as well as outer space.
Genesis 1:26
HEB: הַיָּ֜ם וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־
NAS: and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle
KJV: and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle,
INT: of the sea the birds of the sky the cattle all

Genesis 1:28
HEB: הַיָּם֙ וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וּבְכָל־ חַיָּ֖ה
NAS: and over the birds of the sky and over every
KJV: and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing
INT: of the sea the birds of the sky every living

Genesis 1:30
HEB: וּלְכָל־ ע֨וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֜יִם וּלְכֹ֣ל ׀ רוֹמֵ֣שׂ
NAS: bird of the sky and to every
KJV: and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth
INT: every bird of the sky every moves

Colter said:

I understand, that was the motivation the Jews had for rejecting Jesus. Every revelation of truth is confronted by the narrow minds of those who created religions out of preveous revelations. The prophets were always frowned upon by the priestly elite in their day. Christianity began as a small cult inside Judaism. Jesus had warned his followers to get out of Jerusalem when the false prophets were overtaken by Gentile vengeance.

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These are other reasons why the Jews say that they rejected and still reject Jesus as the promised Messiah.
http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/01/2...ver-2000-years-a-must-read-for-every-jew.html

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One thing that the Jews never claim is that Jesus never existed.
Such a claim has become very popular today among those who strive to denigrate the biblical account.
Unfortunately for them, their pet argument did not surface during the first century when one would naturally expect it to had it been true nor during the intervening years between then and now despite the Jewish opposition to Christianity and its contempt for the Messiah Jesus claim.

Radrook said:

Strong's Concordance
shamayim: heaven, sky
Original Word: שָׁמַ֫יִם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: shamayim
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-mah'-yim)
Short Definition: heaven
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/8064.htm

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
air, astrologer, heavens
Dual of an unused singular shameh {shaw-meh'}; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve) -- air, X astrologer, heaven(-s).

Used in reference to the sky where birds fly as well as outer space.
Genesis 1:26
HEB: הַיָּ֜ם וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־
NAS: and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle
KJV: and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle,
INT: of the sea the birds of the sky the cattle all

Genesis 1:28
HEB: הַיָּם֙ וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וּבְכָל־ חַיָּ֖ה
NAS: and over the birds of the sky and over every
KJV: and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing
INT: of the sea the birds of the sky every living

Genesis 1:30
HEB: וּלְכָל־ ע֨וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֜יִם וּלְכֹ֣ל ׀ רוֹמֵ֣שׂ
NAS: bird of the sky and to every
KJV: and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth
INT: every bird of the sky every moves

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I prefer God's definition:

Gen 1:6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

The solid firmament was placed in the midst or middle of the water which came from the heaven/air which was one of the 3 creation elements which is found in EVERYTHING physical. Gen 1:1-2 Notice that the firmament divided the waters under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. Take ANY solid object and put it in the midst of water and you too can divide the water under the object from the water above the object.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

The above makes no sense IF we say that Heaven means sky since the sky is NOT in the midst of the water but above the water. Another meaning of "heaven" is AIR. We know that God put water in the bottom of the firmament and dry ground on top of that water inside the firmament, Gen 1:9-10, so calling the firmament Heaven would indicate the other necessary ingredient for making the first world, Air, was also inside the firmament.

Now, we have a complete world, Adam's world, inside the solid firmament which protected the interior from the water which totally surrounded the firmament and which protected Adam's Earth from the water into which it was placed. This also makes sense when we read of the total destruction of Adam's world.

Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare:

What Snare? A snare is a Trap and this verse is speaking of a trap which catches he that comes out of the midst of the pit or hell for Judgment. The next verses identify this SNARE:

for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Did the solid firmament have windows on top of it? Yes, according to Gen 7:11, the windows were opened to begin the flood of Adam's world. Since water totally surrounded the firmament, opening the windows would cause the firmament to be destroyed, and that is the SNARE which catches the men in the last days who did NOT know that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the flood.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Scoffers are unbelievers who mock the Bible and say Where is Jesus and they teach children that Jesus is a myth and the Theory of Evolution is the Truth since ALL things continue as they were from the beginning.

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

This agrees with how God describes the firmament, since Adam's Earth was out of the water on the outside the firmament, and yet in the water inside the firmament.

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world [Greek-kosmos] that THEN WAS [past tense], being overflowed with water, perished: [Greek-destroyed totally]

Conclusion: The Theory of Evolution is totally FALSE since the men who dreamed it up 150 years ago, did NOT know that Adam's firmament, along with his Earth, and all breathing creatures, EXCEPT Noah and his family, came from another heaven/universe, the first Heaven, which was totally destroyed in the flood.

The Scoffers have now been told this and exactly as the Holy Spirit, speaking through Peter told us, they are "willingly ignorant" that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the flood. This means that their false ToE, which CLAIMS that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of apes is incomplete, untrue and totally false. Amen?

Radrook said:

The mention of a solid canopy reminds me of what Flat Earthers believe, that there still is some type of canopy which prevents and travel beyond it and that this canopy was subjected to nuclear attack.

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Adam's world, which was totally destroyed in the flood ll Peter 3:6, was FLAT. It was only 15 cubits or 22.5 feet high on top of it's highest mountain. This is clear in the following verse:

Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

When the flood prevailed upon Adam's Flat Earth to a depth of 22.5 feet/15 cubits, the flood waters covered the mountains. This reveals that Adam's Earth was NOT our Earth since Mt. Everest is 29,029 feet high. Also, our Earth IS covered with more than 2/3 of it covered with water, but it does not dissolve as Adam's Flat Earth did. Isaiah 24:19 Amen?

Aman777 said:

Adam's world, which was totally destroyed in the flood ll Peter 3:6, was FLAT. It was only 15 cubits or 22.5 feet high on top of it's highest mountain. This is clear in the following verse:

Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

When the flood prevailed upon Adam's Flat Earth to a depth of 22.5 feet/15 cubits, the flood waters covered the mountains. This reveals that Adam's Earth was NOT our Earth since Mt. Everest is 29,029 feet high. Also, our Earth IS covered with more than 2/3 of it covered with water, but it does not dissolve as Adam's Flat Earth did. Isaiah 24:19 Amen?

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Yes, I am aware of the atmospheric and topographical differences between the pre-flood and post-flood Earth. There is evidence of a uniform balmy climate which permitted such mammals as the mammoths to thrive in the northern regions now called Siberia. Vast areas now submerged were once dry land. Mountains were not as high as they are now. Also, the canopy is said to have reduced the amount solar-radiation reaching the surface and therefore offered more protection. Some have conjectured that the longer lifespans mentioned in Genesis were due to such a difference.

Colter said:

This is what happens when one try's to fit our current understanding of the world into the severely limited understanding of primitive myth makers.

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I cannot agree since the Author of Scripture, the Holy Spirit, knows more than our current understanding. Can you explain where Jesus has gone to prepare a place for us? Could it be that He is in the 3rd Heaven? The 1st Heaven, Adam's world, was destroyed in the flood and our 2nd Heaven will be burned. Is Jesus physically preparing a place for us because He knows that our Heaven will soon be burned? Or does our current scientific understanding show that our Sun will burn our Earth Billions of years from now?

dqhall said:

From John 3:3: "And no one hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended out of heaven, even the Son of man, who is in heaven."

This goes against your notion that Enoch and Elijah ascended into heaven.

We only have a few verses about Noah and a flood that claim to be from thousands of years before writing was invented circa 3200 BC (Egypt and Mesopotamia). I studied geology in college and did not find evidence of a global flood within the past 10,000 years. God may have rescued people from many floods, fires and other catastrophes.

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no human was ever able to ascend into heaven alone, but only the true God, who comes directly from heaven, can take human beings up to heaven, and from this perspective, no one can ascend into heaven save the true Saints (such as Enoch and Elijah) Who can be taken by Their true God up to there, because they do His righteousness and are thus one with Him - this is the meaning of John 3:3

the "flood" in the time of Noah was spiritual/done spiritually, i.e. through the primordial substance of God called "water(s)" in the Bible, something that is invisible to the physical human eyes, and of which God made the universal creation in six days - it is a very fine substance

Genesis 1:2 "the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.",

1 Peter 3:20-21 "the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:",

2 Peter 3:5-6 "by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

it is both a structural substance and a (dis)solvent - something of which the atoms and the other elementary particles are made

Blessings

Colter said:

This is what happens when one try's to fit our current understanding of the world into the severely limited understanding of primitive myth makers.

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Colter said:

* Jesus went to one of his mansion worlds to prepare a place for us just like he said. But in his day man had not discovered many things.

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Amen, but since men did not author the Bible, it has nothing to do with what ancient man knew. Can you explain WHY the 1st Heaven was made the 2nd Day according to Gen 1:8 and other Heavens (plural) were made the 3rd Day according to Gen 2:4? Notice also that God (Trinity) made the 1st Heaven and Lord God (Jesus) made the others.

**** There was no world wide flood and floods don't destroy heavens.

Sure there was a flood which destroyed the 1st Heaven. ll Peter 3:6 The problem is with the traditional theology of ancient men who did NOT understand the story of the flood. It's really simple once you understand it. The flood story is also supported by tangible empirical [testable] evidence of life from another world. Of course God tells us that the Scoffers of the last days will be "willingly ignorant" of the Truth since it destroys the ToE.

**** Havens don't burn.

That is exactly what the Scoffers of the last days don't believe according to ll Peter 3:3-7 KJV

**** The speculation about what Jesus will do when he returns for a visit is just as wrong as the speculation about what he was going to do the first time.

Really? Can you identify what the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, lied to us about Jesus' first visit? Be careful though, since blasphemy/slander of the Holy Spirit won't be forgiven in this world or the 3rd Heaven of ll Cor 12:2, which is also the New Heaven and New Earth of Rev 21:1, where Christians will live forever AFTER our 2nd Heaven/Cosmos is burned. ll Peter 3:10 KJV