Not so clean books you would recommend.

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Lemme guess. John dies at the end? That is a catchy title for real.

One story I like quite a bit gives away the end before you know who 'John' is.

The Long Watch starts with this as heading for the first chapter:

"Nine ships blasted off from Moon Base. Once in space, eight of them formed a globe around the smallest. They held this formation all the way to Earth.

"The small ship displayed the insignia of an admiral-yet there was no living thing of any sort in her. She was not even a passenger ship, but a drone, a robot ship intended for radioactive cargo. This trip she carried nothing but a lead coffin and a Geiger counter that was never quiet."

—from the editorial After
Ten Years, film 38,
17 June 2009, Archives of the
N. Y. Times

Before you know anything you know someone dies a hero. By the time you know the players you can guess quite accurately how it ends.

Oh and by coincidence the Hero is Johnny Ezra Dahlquist, so John does die pretty close to the end.

Sadly on reskiming the story I see that written in the 50s means it is as 'clean' as if every character is Ned Flanders and it does hurt the story, there are times profanity is called for and is replaced with less strong language.

Still Heinlein is a good enough writer that the story is worthwhile.
 
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A Feast Unknown by Phillip Jose Farmer.

My cryptic description:

If you have read the Tarzan series you might have noticed sex is entirely absent. This is a recasting of that story where we learn there is a good reason for the omission.

Do not leave somewhere that the young ones can reach it. If I am remembering correctly the darkness does not build, it hits like a train going from seeming like a clean Tarzan adventure straight into utter darkness.
 
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The Girl on the Train by Paula Hawkins isn't really an intellectually stimulating book, but I thought it was an entertaining one. It's been hugely popular this year. I just read A God in Ruins by Kate Atkinson this weekend, and enjoyed it as well. I wouldn't describe it as being "dirty" in any way, but it's not a children's book either.
 
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It depends on what is supposed to be "non clean books"! From what I read in this thread, I think Les Fleurs du Mal could fit on your list. He is really fond of sexual allusions and they are always very well-done. Flaubert is also a specialist of sexual allusions. Moreover his writing style is even better than Baudelaire's in my opinion. But both are actually quite awesome. You could also add a lot of Greek dramas, especially Aristophane's (I'm thinking about Lisistrata ) Apollinaire also. Well, your list can be quite long!
 
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I was recently dog sitting and read a couple of the books in The Dresden Files series. It is urban fantasy so for some that is not so clean just on the magic aspects. Sex, violence and adult themes. But it is fantasy/adventure. That is the meat. It follows the tradition of some of the recent better fantasy that the old tales are essentially true, but that they have been told by men and therefore slanted or not complete.

Oh and if you do read the series you will be very happy NOT to have a fairy godmother.
 
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I was recently dog sitting and read a couple of the books in The Dresden Files series. It is urban fantasy so for some that is not so clean just on the magic aspects. Sex, violence and adult themes. But it is fantasy/adventure. That is the meat. It follows the tradition of some of the recent better fantasy that the old tales are essentially true, but that they have been told by men and therefore slanted or not complete.

Oh and if you do read the series you will be very happy NOT to have a fairy godmother.
I've been meaning to read some of them. It's like detective novels with a lot of fantasy thrown in, isn't it?
 
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I've been meaning to read some of them. It's like detective novels with a lot of fantasy thrown in, isn't it?

More like police story or the recent series Lucifer. Harry is a wizard, the real thing. Especially in the first few the second major character is a female police officer in the special wierdsutff division. So there is a detective element. Also early on Harry works out of an office, not unlike the classic detective or detective novels, but things are not generally detective stuff in the classic sense, unless you could Harry having to figure out who is trying to kill him. Sometimes the fantasy part is sort of like a spy mystery. There are a lot of factions in this fantasy and figuring out who wants what can be a matter of life and death or worse.
 
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It's fun to read these replies! I added John Dies At The End to my to-read list - it seems like a fun book.

My recommendation will have to be my favorite book series ever: No. 6 by Asano Atsuko. (It doesn't currently have an official English translation, but you can google "No. 6 English translation" and get the fan-translated eBooks for free. The translation's really good.)
The reason it's not clean is partially because of the language (there's a ton of swearing, but it's a realistic amount), but there's also generally pretty gruesome scenes, and people's personal space being invaded (not rape yet though, if I remember correctly). Plus there's a character who thinks believing in God is pathetic, so this is probably not the best book for someone who only wants to read books that are positive about religion.:p

But anyway, what makes this book so good is the metaphor. The dystopia in which No. 6 takes place is a metaphor for our world. There's this character, Shion (representing the reader), who lives inside the prosperous city called No. 6 (=the West). Then, because of circumstances, he gets outside of the city (=the Third World). He is there with another boy, Nezumi, who doesn't particularly like Shion for his ignorance about the world. Nezumi shows Shion (as I said, Shion represents the reader) the world as it truly is, and fights the beliefs that Shion has been taught, living in No. 6 (the West).
It's a fascinating book. It honestly shook my entire world view and completely changed my view of myself. So, although it's offensive and gruesome in many ways, it's definitely a book that I would recommend.

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The Girl on the Train by Paula Hawkins isn't really an intellectually stimulating book, but I thought it was an entertaining one. It's been hugely popular this year.

The movie is coming out soon! I just saw a trailer for it. It looks good. I haven't read the book yet, I think I'll watch the movie since I've got so much reading to do for school atm.
 
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