If the referendum were tomorrow how would you vote?

OK, the polls have just closed. And it's a landslide victory for remain! 100%!

In.
Just cos.

In, because the pursuit of isolationism in a globalising world is madness.

Where are the Brexiters?!

Already exited


edit: changed my mind, both sides are about equally bad but I think on reflection it is worse to have the British ruining Britain than the Europeans.

Just added up a whole lot of things that have happened since Britain left socialism around 1972 and the destruction has been terrible, most of it done by the British whose memories are just as short as the Americans.

I actually do not know which way to vote. All I see is scare mongering on both sides and not much else

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Britain is built on a class warfare mentality, that is what we need to exit.

I don't have a vote but after vacillating a lot have settled on 'in' or as they misleadingly call it 'remain'.

The reasons are the need for a better backed currency and my own experience working for both British employers and one German employer. Both were bad but the recent British one was just amazingly bad, putting the workers on rotating day / night shifts was inhumane and very dangerous.

Despite a very successful socialist era from WW2 to about 1972 the Brits seem determined to throw it all away, run up huge international debts, and go back to a vicious form of cut throat capitalism. I don't think we can trust the British elite to run the country. I don't believe that 1984 is correct about totalitarianism having a socialist face, over here it seems to do very well with a fundamentalist Christian gun slinging capitalist face.

I'd pick 'remain'.

Agreed. On the basis of workers rights I'm inclining towards remain. On the basis of who has been backing the remain campaign, I'm edging towards leave.

Yep still not 100% convinced either way, lol.

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Workers rights, women's rights, Britain's world influence, unity of the United Kingdom, a strong economy, trade, etc.

One look at those campaigning to leave is surely warning enough as to our fate if they get their way: Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Michael Gove - right-wingers to a man, some of them bordering on extremism.

Right from the start of the arguments I felt that the very word "brexit" is an abomination.

That's the way propaganda works. 'Instant death' was rejected after surveys showed the public did not like it but did like 'cruise missile' because it sounds confident and laid back.

And over in the US the Department of Defense does not handle defence at all, that is the role of 'Homeland Security'. We have 'bath tissue' which is not suitable for use in the bath, we don't torture at all we just use 'enhanced interrogation', anyone defending their country is a 'terrorist', non combatants we kill are not people but 'collateral damage', and if you hang around just chilling in our 'rest rooms' you get in big trouble.

The propaganda is written to favour joining. It is easy to see why because the politicians do a lot better, get a secure very well paid job in the EU with many perks if they vote for their (future) masters in Brussels.

But ad hominems are a fallacy. Ignoring the trick to suggest to the old who don't like change that joining the EU is 'remaining' and all the other tricks, well what in the end is it really about.

Changing to Napoleonic Code is a big pain, but considering the British actually experienced successful socialist government in living memory and promptly reverted to far right wing, soon to be a feudal system,

I would trust the EU more than the British


and yes I've worked for both and the last co was British and I left the country after that. Reassessing although the EU labour pool did a lot of damage, globalisation would have done that anyway. It is the British who really look down on and abuse the poorer part of their own population.

Exactly the same as the US is facing right now, which is worse Hillary who is unlikely to fix any of the existing problems, or Donald who is just getting to grips with the complexities of real problems.

And in Britain which is worse, being run by the British upper crust or being run by the corrupt EU, scary choice.

Two concerns about joining are whether it will replace Common Law in which case money will have total control rather than our historic rights.

I know most Christians are right wing money grabbers but money in the Bible is referred to as 'mammon' and considered a bad thing to serve.

And migrant labour flows might destabilise everything from schools, GP practices and all services to house prices which is what the government is primarily responsible for stabilising.


Maybe the EU Charter of Human Rights will be an adequate replacement for Common Law, and maybe it will not be altered in future beyond all usefulness, a legal expert might know.

Just two concerns there. I don't live in the UK anymore so I'm not going to be doing any more worrying. Oh yes, and why hasn't Britain gone bankrupt yet, or is it now in receivership? We won't be told so we might already be under someone else's control. Sorry, not 'we' but 'you', the US is estimated to be 11 years behind you.

The EU united currency the Euro is making relationships in the EU between countries a lot worse and with a huge low cost workforce from Turkey joining I'm not sure what any country is going to provide for their own non academic populations.

Havering a bit against right now, meant to stop worrying.

MorkandMindy said:

The EU united currency the Euro is making relationships in the EU between countries a lot worse and with a huge low cost workforce from Turkey joining I'm not sure what any country is going to provide for their own non academic populations.

Havering a bit against right now, meant to stop worrying.

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The vote is NOT about joining the EU, that took place many years ago. It is about staying in the EU.

MorkandMindy said:

and with a huge low cost workforce from Turkey joining

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There are 35 different policy areas where prospective members must meet criteria. After working on this for the last 20 years, Turkey has managed to fulfil one. Out of 35! In many areas they haven't even started yet.

Turkey is still technically occupying northern Cyprus. Cyprus is a member of the EU. Without a settlement - which as these things always do, will take many years to achieve - it is unthinkable that Turkey would be permitted to join, whilst illegally occupying part of the union!

Every country gets a veto on every new member. Britain would have a veto on Turkey if we're still members. France has already stated it will hold a referendum on Turkey's membership, should they fulfil the joining criteria at some point in the future. Other countries, including Germany, are talking about doing the same.

The Leave camp's attempts to scare people with tales about Turkey joining is one of the more disingenuous parts of what John Major was right to call a 'squalid' campaign. Turkey won't join for decades, if ever.

Many thanks for that Oafman, I wish people wouldn't clutter up what is already a complex issue by saying things that aren't true so thank you for getting that one out of the way.

bhillyard said:

The vote is NOT about joining the EU, that took place many years ago. It is about staying in the EU.

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What vote was taken and when to join the EU?