Psalm 82 -- please comment

Forget all these names of Yhwh, Jehovah and what ever old things are past away all things are become new and lets get in the new testament as Paul said it is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ as Jesus Christ the Son of God came as promised in the old testament and is the mediator of the new covenant. Lots of great philosophy and vain deceit, people seem to forget that Jesus Christ the Son of God came. Jesus Christ the Son of God is the way through his word. Gospel perverts are too busy trying to think how to glorify God and how to exalt him instead of his Son Jesus Christ.

Col 2:[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Ephesians 1:[1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
[2] Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
[3] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
[4] According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
[5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
[6] To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Hebrews 9:[13] For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
[14] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
[15] And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[16] For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[17] For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
[18] Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
[19] For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
[20] Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
[21] Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
[22] And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
[23] It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
[24] For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
[25] Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
[26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
[28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

John 14:[12] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
[13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

dysert said:

I'm taking a hard look at Psalm 82 and entertaining some interesting ideas that have never occurred to me before.

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The Lord Jesus Christ quoted from this Psalm to establish His own Deity (John 10:30-39). However "the mighty" and "the gods" in verse 1 and "gods" in verse 6 does not teach polytheism.

The same Hebrew word (Elohim) that is used for God is also used for gods, as well as for mighty ones, as well as for false gods. The ones called "gods" (v 6) are those who were judges in Israel, only because they were supposed to make judgments on behalf of God. It is difficult to know who "the mighty" and "the gods" are in verse 1, unless it refers to the false gods (considered mighty by pagans) in contrast to the one true God -- Yahweh Elohim.

dysert said:

So it looks like there are three tiers of heavenly beings (not counting the different ranks of the angels): YHWH, the gods, and the angels.

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Sorry but Scripture calls all false gods "devils". So there are no three tiers. These "gods" in verse 1 may be a reference to Hebrew judges, since the next three verses speaks about how they judge unjustly.

Job8 said:

The Lord Jesus Christ quoted from this Psalm to establish His own Deity (John 10:30-39). However "the mighty" and "the gods" in verse 1 and "gods" in verse 6 does not teach polytheism.

The same Hebrew word (Elohim) that is used for God is also used for gods, as well as for mighty ones, as well as for false gods. The ones called "gods" (v 6) are those who were judges in Israel, only because they were supposed to make judgments on behalf of God. It is difficult to know who "the mighty" and "the gods" are in verse 1, unless it refers to the false gods (considered mighty by pagans) in contrast to the one true God -- Yahweh Elohim.

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Jesus is telling us the ending of a conversation. Jesus is NOT saying "I am one" or "I am God" he is saying it is a dead issue I already talked about this my daddy, (Father) and I the Son Jesus are in agreement. It is already declared that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and he was with God his Father from day one. Demons know who Jesus is and Christians don't as they do not read their bible, they allow gospel perverts do all the reading and talking for them.

The word AND = As well as!!! UP and Down, Left And Right, Walking AND talking.

You are quoting an end of a conversation, and not the beginning of the conversation. What you are doing is just calling Jesus the Son of God a liar because you do not read the whole conversation. He was talking about that he is not God his daddy, (Father) in any way shape or form. You are also calling God and Father of Jesus a liar as you don't believe the record that God gave of his only begotten Son Jesus Christ. Those in the grave will only hear the voice of the Son of God Jesus Christ. You are just calling God a liar because you do not believe the record he gave of his Son Jesus. Jesus is telling people it is a dead issue I ready told you about this in John 6. You are a fine God talker, however, never fine Son of God Jesus Christ Word talker.

We are not talking about another Father we are talking about a Son of God his Father.

Jesus Christ the Son of God is not coming back for liars who dismiss the Son of God!!! You will have to wait in the grave for a long time to hear God's voice.

John 10:[24] Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
[25] Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: ((the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.))
[26] But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] ((My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.))
[30] I and my Father are one.

John 6:36] But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
[37] All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
[38] For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
[39] And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 17:20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
[21] That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 5:19] Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
[20] For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
[21] For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
[23] That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
[24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
[25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
[26] For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
[27] And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
[28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
[30] I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
[31] If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
[32] There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
[33] Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
[34] But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
[35] He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
[36] But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
[37] And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
[38] And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

1st John 5:[9] If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
[10] He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
[11] And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
[12] He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
[13] These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
[14] And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
[15] And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

Romans 1:1] Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
[2] (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
[3] Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
[4] And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
[5] By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
[6] Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
[7] To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
[8] First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Luke 4:[41] And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Genesis 1:[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Biblepreachet said:

I and my Father are one.

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These words should be sufficient for those who want the truth.

You just called Jesus the Son of God a liar, you don't believe what he says about being the Son of God in the other verses. You don't believe what Jesus Christ says here but you believe what he says there. That is a cafeteria salvation gospel pit of hell salvation. Pick and choose what you feel like. Where as my ministry goes by every word. Matthew 4:4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." John 8:42] Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
[43] Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
[45] And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
[46] Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
[47] He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

182:1 ¶ [[A Psalm of Asaph.]] Elohim standeth in the congregation of el; he judgeth among the Elohim.
82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy
:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid [them] out of the hand of the wicked.
:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
:6 I have said, Ye [are] elohim; and all of you [are] children of Elyon.
:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes
:8 Arise, O Elohim, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

This is what the Jews understood this to mean

God 'stands' in the midst of judges and will judge them.

How long will you (bad) judges favor the wicked? Give justice to the weak, the orphan and the poor. Rescue the needy and powerless from the hands of the wicked.

They (corrupt judges) do not know nor do they understand that they walk in darkness.
I thought all judges were Godly and powerful sons of the most High (i.e. good and righteous) But like all men, even powerful princes you will die.

Please God judge the world, you control all the nations.
core belief of Judaism is that there is only one God.

The word אֱלֹהִים (Elohim)can mean "God". It can also mean Judge, Idolatrous god/power (note the distinction between God and gods), Important Person.

I forgot to add this:
(Psa 82:1) A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of God; in the midst of the judges He judgeth:
(Psa 82:2) 'How long will ye judge unjustly, and respect the persons of the wicked? Selah
(Psa 82:3) Judge the poor and fatherless; do justice to the afflicted and destitute.
(Psa 82:4) Rescue the poor and needy; deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.
(Psa 82:5) They know not, neither do they understand; they go about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are moved.
(Psa 82:6) I said: Ye are godlike beings, and all of you sons of the Most High.
(Psa 82:7) Nevertheless ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.'
(Psa 82:8) Arise, O God, judge the earth; for Thou shalt possess all nations.

Jewish Publication Society Bible

dysert said:

Ok. I'll start. Maybe this will motivate someone else to reply.

The first "God" is elohim, a familiar Hebrew word that can mean God (the Most High, i.e., YHWH), but since it can assume both singular and plural, it can also mean lesser "gods" (e.g., Gen. 31:32 and hundreds of other verses). The second "gods" in Psa. 82:1 is also elohim. So it you read all 8 verses of the Psalm you (at least I) come away with the idea that God (YHWH) is holding a "council meeting" with other "gods". Note that these other gods aren't angels, since the Hebrew for angel is malak. So it looks like there are three tiers of heavenly beings (not counting the different ranks of the angels): YHWH, the gods, and the angels.

What do you think?

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That just does not square with the rest of Scripture.

dysert said:

I'm taking a hard look at Psalm 82 and entertaining some interesting ideas that have never occurred to me before. I'd appreciate any thoughtful replies on it. To get started, here is verse 1 in a few different translations:

(Psa 82:1 KJV) A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

(Psa 82:1 NKJV) A Psalm of Asaph. God stands in the congregation of the mighty; He judges among the gods.

(Psa 82:1 HCSB) A psalm of Asaph. God has taken His place in the divine assembly; He judges among the gods:

(Psa 82:1 ESV) A Psalm of Asaph. God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:

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The poetic center of the book of Psalms is 81, where in the midst of a crisis of fail God is on the move
God judging is a reaction to that. I have an outline where of the flow of thought in Book 3 of the Psalms you can take a look at