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hi all. I am a baby Christian (a thirty-something baby!) and am curious to know about suffering and Christianity. Do Christians want to get rid of suffering in this life? What is the proper attitude toward our personal suffering? It seems like a lot of people lose faith over this, which is sad--so then how should a Christian look at the inevitable suffering life will bring? Is it ever redemptive? I have been reading on this and am curious for different viewpoints. Thank you for answering.
 

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I like the fact you realize “suffering” is something every Christian goes through by asking:

How should a Christian look at the inevitable suffering life will bring?

It is not wrong to try and avoid severe suffering (persecution) since that helped the first century church to spread out and go to other lands.

It is not about how we got into the situation of suffering (like going to prison), but how we handle the situation as we go through suffering.

We are just passing through this world and are here to help others.
 
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Here are some passages about suffering in the Bible.

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Suffering,-Of-Believers

In my opinion, God calls us to suffer on his behalf. Jesus said to take up your cross and follow him. The cross represents suffering. I think for those that follow Christ and do his will, many will encounter suffering. I personally feel as though I have suffered, although probably not that much compared to most of humanity, but it has been for my own idiocy most of the time and not for being a Christian or following Christ. I feel like the prosperity gospel doesn't really do the Bible justice. Sure you can be successful and be a Christian, but I feel like there are more passages calling on people to follow Christ through their suffering rather than to be rich. I think of the martyrs for Christ and I think the prosperity gospel is an insult to their sacrifice. Jesus suffered on the cross. His apostles suffered much and most were killed for their testimony of Jesus. I personally pray for God to end the suffering in this world, but the Bible says that suffering can refine us as metal in fire 1 Peter 1:6-7. I lost faith for a time specifically because I thought that if God was good, then there wouldn't be suffering in this life, but I had only barely read a couple parts of the Bible. It seems to me now that suffering is a result of the garden of Eden, and because suffering can result in people becoming better through fiery trials. As Christians, we are supposed to look at trials as nothing compared to the glory that it will bring in the afterlife, Romans 8:18. Most of my perspective comes from speculation and assuming that the Bible passages are true, since I haven't really lived the life of suffering on behalf of Jesus.
 
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hi all. I am a baby Christian (a thirty-something baby!) and am curious to know about suffering and Christianity. Do Christians want to get rid of suffering in this life?

Jesus calls us to participate in bringing about the Kingdom of God in the here & now. We are supposed to be merciful & peaceful with others. We are called to love others as ourselves - feeding the hungry, comforting the afflicted, etc. So, Christians should be seeking to reduce suffering.

What is the proper attitude toward our personal suffering? It seems like a lot of people lose faith over this, which is sad--so then how should a Christian look at the inevitable suffering life will bring? Is it ever redemptive? I have been reading on this and am curious for different viewpoints. Thank you for answering.

I think we can learn from suffering at times, but we should remember that suffering is not what God dreams for us.

Sometimes, life just sucks, & we suffer pain, sickness, loss. I think God understands & we can look forward to the day when the Kingdom of God will be fully realized. Suffering & death itself will cease. All things will be made whole again.
 
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hi all. I am a baby Christian (a thirty-something baby!) and am curious to know about suffering and Christianity. Do Christians want to get rid of suffering in this life? What is the proper attitude toward our personal suffering? It seems like a lot of people lose faith over this, which is sad--so then how should a Christian look at the inevitable suffering life will bring? Is it ever redemptive? I have been reading on this and am curious for different viewpoints. Thank you for answering.

The Christian perspective of suffering zooms in on the Cross. Christianity doesn't so much seek to answer the problem of suffering from a philosophical perspective; but instead speaks of the God who suffers with the world.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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hi all. I am a baby Christian (a thirty-something baby!) and am curious to know about suffering and Christianity. Do Christians want to get rid of suffering in this life? What is the proper attitude toward our personal suffering? It seems like a lot of people lose faith over this, which is sad--so then how should a Christian look at the inevitable suffering life will bring? Is it ever redemptive? I have been reading on this and am curious for different viewpoints. Thank you for answering.

I definitely would like to get rid of suffering in this life and I would seriously doubt the sanity of any one Christian or otherwise would wouldn't! (and also speculate if they actually ever have truly suffered--do not mean the suffering they think they can handle, but something they definitely do not like). The proper attitude of a Christian toward suffering is to draw closer to God during it. If someone is in Christ, their suffering is always redemptive; God is somehow bringing good out of it even if we have no idea how that can be. The suffering in this life of Christians is to bring about their sanctification which means the lessening of themselves and the growing more of Christ within them.

It is really hard to look to the next life, especially if your lot in this life isn't that bad; it is hard to imagine what can be better if you've got pretty much everything you really need (and especially if you have a lot of things you want--all you can really think is that, man I really don't want to stop living here!). Lots of suffering in a Christian's life is also partly to draw them out of this one, to make them realize that this is really not a place they can truly call home; that can only be found with God.
 
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Romans 8:16-18
16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17 and if children, then heirs--heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.


Philippians 1:29
29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,

1 Peter 5:10
10 But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.

Selah.
 
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hi all. I am a baby Christian (a thirty-something baby!) and am curious to know about suffering and Christianity. Do Christians want to get rid of suffering in this life? What is the proper attitude toward our personal suffering? It seems like a lot of people lose faith over this, which is sad--so then how should a Christian look at the inevitable suffering life will bring? Is it ever redemptive? I have been reading on this and am curious for different viewpoints. Thank you for answering.
In my opinion it starts in the story of the garden of Eden, after Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge.

The consequence to eating from the tree was suffering, because their thinking became polarised. Most suffering is caused by the consequence's of incorrect thinking and it's effects on our world.

Later in the story of Genesis Cain was warned by the Lord God that sin was about to enter the system. He didn't listen and the knowledge of good and evil infected the human race.

The infection is global now, the suffering will only increase, unless people stop thinking in 2 dimension's.

White
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Black
 
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What I have noticed, is that a person's sin has a natural effect, to provoke it's victim to sin.

For a basic example, consider someone who is envious and steals. The victim is naturally provoked to anger. Someone who lusts, then the one who is offended is provoked to pride. Someone is so greedy to the point of injustice, then the one who was deprived is provoked to envy, theft or anger. These bad spirits then travel with the victim, inflicting upon the ones who bear the brunt, until the victim is healed. One of the titles of The Christ, is "Wonderful Counselor". If we are living in unity with Him in Holy Spirit, He is able to work effectively through our activity, to heal others as The Wonderful Counselor.

If the impact of sin is never absorbed, then it doesn't disappear, but it grows in prevalence as it pervades a community. We do see this happening in the world today, because of the great apostasy where the majority of Christian teachers promote false and watered-down doctrines, themselves being slaves to sin, refusing repentance, so they misrepresent The Holy Spirit, and they even despise Him when He presents! Subsequently, due to a serious shortfall of vital truth being promoted, and an abundance of immorality from worldly propaganda, wickedness continues to increase and the love of the many grows ever colder.

Suffering is the core principle of Christianity, to absorb the impact of sin (forgive and love the sinner), so that God is able to manifest His healing, empowered by love.

An interesting note I took from church yesterday, is that we are all battling to stay on top of various things in our life. We don't really know what the people around us are battling with, because we don't see and hear all that they do, and we don't have their responsibilities. So it is important to not take personal attacks too personally, because the sinner is only doing it to inflict us. Have you ever noticed that the most obnoxious, hurtful people start out so nice? Once they learn of our weaknesses, their evil spirits manifest against us.

This is the human nature of a sinner. As they say, "misery loves company". Yet, The Holy Spirit of God has supreme power to drive out evil spirits, and they will find no welcome return if we have empowered Him to heal that one, by sufficiently demonstrating love. It is impossible to do this when encountering someone's evil spirit, unless we suffer.

Love is patient, kind, not easily offended, keeping no record of wrongs, and always seeking good.

Our own sin, on the other hand, seeks to destroy our love. When we engage blow-for-blow, sin escalates. When we suffer in Holy Spirit, God acts for justice to the lowly and afflicted.
 
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There is also the matter of our spiritual blindness. Someone whose faith has been grown by God for a while will have a perspective like Paul's, when he wrote:

For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. (2 Corinthians 4:17, 1984 NIV)

Paul's "light and momentary troubles" were things that would kill people.

The apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name. (bold mine, Acts 5:41, 1984 NIV)

Their "suffering disgrace" was being whipped and rejected by powerful people.

The typical view of suffering in my (U.S.) culture is incorrect, or at least is blind. Too many people have been raised forming logic to affirm their feelings.
 
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I think the absolute majority of Christians are just looking for God's help. To lead them to comfortable life and to protect from suffering. Helper/provider/protector. Comprehensive insurance policy.


But then there is a tiny minority who don't mind suffering and even find it helpful in perfecting their souls. I think among this category, not everyone tolerates to the end. Like some monks who give up and leave monasteries after a few months of service full of extraordinary hardships.
 
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hi all. I am a baby Christian (a thirty-something baby!) and am curious to know about suffering and Christianity. Do Christians want to get rid of suffering in this life? What is the proper attitude toward our personal suffering? It seems like a lot of people lose faith over this, which is sad--so then how should a Christian look at the inevitable suffering life will bring? Is it ever redemptive? I have been reading on this and am curious for different viewpoints. Thank you for answering.
As Christ's Own, we are heirs of God, in Christ and co-heirs with Christ. The glory we receive will be so much more than any suffering we endure.

Romans 8:17

6 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ — if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. 18 I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us.

Galatians 4:7
So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, you are also an heir through God.

Philippians 3:10
I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to Him in His death,

James 1:2, 4

“Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials … so that you may be mature and complete”

James 1:12
God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation. Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.

Hebrews 12:5-6
“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”
 
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I think the focus of many a Christian is not where it should be. I think any human being should strive and look at life at the broadest angle possible. So often people just think, how do I spend my 70+ years or however many I am granted? Their thoughts are small. Selfish. Do not go above self, family, tribe, nation, whatever. How about the Universe? How about millenia? Or eternity?

Lift up your heads. Don't look down. Then the little suffering will ALL seem but a joke, a mosquito bite to you compared to the Grand Selfless Goal of your lives.

Did Marie Curie bother to save herself when handling deadly radioactivity with bare hands? Would the resulting suffering stop her? No. The high goal of human knowledge progress drove her to fascinating new discoveries for the benefit of himankind and quenching our inborn curiosity.

Not petty years of comfortable life full of little pleasures.
 
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I think the absolute majority of Christians are just looking for God's help. To lead them to comfortable life and to protect from suffering. Helper/provider/protector. Comprehensive insurance policy.


But then there is a tiny minority who don't mind suffering and even find it helpful in perfecting their souls. I think among this category, not everyone tolerates to the end. Like some monks who give up and leave laq after a few months of service full of extraordinary hardships.

Oh boy. People do not follow Jesus for the easy road.

Did someone tell you following Jesus is an easy road? Or are you guessing?
 
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Oh boy. People do not follow Jesus for the easy road.

Did someone tell you following Jesus is an easy road? Or are you guessing?

There are many many reasons people follow a religion. However, humans are highly socially-dependant creatures. Therefore, the number one reason until today is, that is the religion of your surrounding society or community. It is slowly changing with the ever increasing wanders of modern technology - communications and transportation, plus mass migrations.

I proposed a very general overview of attitudes towards suffering within Christianity, from my personal opinion.
 
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