Why do you believe in the trinity when God and his word is simple

redleghunter · Feb 14, 2016

stuart lawrence said:
Will the apostle Paul do?
He said the christian has one God, the father, and one lord, Jesus Christ.
Perhaps you could point out christians in the early church who preached an equal trinity, lets say up to 120 AD
If I was on a computer I would gladly quote the second head of the christian church, and Dionysius.
However, the bible for me is the bottom line. I can quote Jesus and Paul

Yes and Paul confirmed the Deity of Christ in Colossians 2:9.

redleghunter · Feb 14, 2016

stuart lawrence said:
I guess if you just accepted the plain words of Jesus you would be robbed of all that theological studying and exegesis, perish the thought

Out of context hyperbole on your part.

I pointed to you Scripture interpreting Scripture.

stuart lawrence · Feb 14, 2016

redleghunter said:
Yes and Paul confirmed the Deity of Christ in Colossians 2:9.

He said the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells in Christ, absolutely. He also said the christian has one God, the father, absolutely

stuart lawrence · Feb 14, 2016

redleghunter said:
Out of context hyperbole on your part.

I pointed to you Scripture interpreting Scripture.

You did exegesis of scripture to try and overturn the plainly written word. That is what stimulates you. I just accept what is plainly written. But then I'm a simple chap, not that learned. A positive plus going by a lot of what you see on these kind of websites

royal priest · Feb 14, 2016

stuart lawrence said:
You did exegesis of scripture to try and overturn the plainly written word. That is what stimulates you. I just accept what is plainly written. But then I'm a simple chap, not that learned. A positive plus going by a lot of what you see on these kind of websites

But exegesis is a necessary part of understanding the Scriptures. Luke 24:25-27

royal priest · Feb 14, 2016

stuart lawrence said:
You did exegesis of scripture to try and overturn the plainly written word. That is what stimulates you. I just accept what is plainly written. But then I'm a simple chap, not that learned. A positive plus going by a lot of what you see on these kind of websites

It doesn't take a 'learned man' to exegete the Bible. Thank God for that because I barely graduated from High School.
I hear lots of non-trinitarians explain they are so, because they don't fully understand the doctrine of the Trinity. But, if it required a comprehensive understanding to adhere to it, then there would be no trinitarians. There are so many things in the Scriptures none of us fully understand, but we accept them for what they say. It is no different with the Trinity. We don't need to fully understand it to accept it. Basic apprehension of the text and seeing it's parts in light of the whole is enough just like with the rest of what the Bible says.

stuart lawrence · Feb 14, 2016

royal priest said:
But exegesis is a necessary part of understanding the Scriptures. Luke 24:25-27

What in your view is more important to understand, or concentrate on? Trinity, or the gospel message of grace?
Please don't reply they are the same thing. <Staff Edit>

stuart lawrence · Feb 14, 2016

royal priest said:
It doesn't take a 'learned man' to exegete the Bible. Thank God for that because I barely graduated from High School.
I hear lots of non-trinitarians explain they are so, because they don't fully understand the doctrine of the Trinity. But, if it required a comprehensive understanding to adhere to it, then there would be no trinitarians. There are so many things in the Scriptures none of us fully understand, but we accept them for what they say. It is no different with the Trinity. We don't need to fully understand it to accept it. Basic apprehension of the text and seeing it's parts in light of the whole is enough just like with the rest of what the Bible says.

Problem is, you throw out the plainly written word in order to adhere to a doctrine that contradicts it!

royal priest · Feb 14, 2016

stuart lawrence said:
What in your view is more important to understand, or concentrate on? Trinity, or the gospel message of grace?
Please don't reply they are the same thing.<Staff Edit>

I think you and I share the same perspective on this one. What matters most is who Jesus Christ is.

royal priest · Feb 14, 2016

stuart lawrence said:
Problem is, you throw out the plainly written word in order to adhere to a doctrine that contradicts it!

No, that's the opposite of exegesis. Exegesis is drawing the meaning out of the text. What you are referring to is called isogesis which is putting into the text something that isn't there.
You are right about contradictory doctrines. When we come to the Scriptures, we ought to lay aside preconcieved notions and let the text speak for itself within its own context.

Chriliman · Feb 14, 2016

stuart lawrence said:
Problem is, you throw out the plainly written word in order to adhere to a doctrine that contradicts it!

Do you worship God the Father and Jesus Christ as Lord or do you only worship God the Father?

stuart lawrence · Feb 14, 2016

royal priest said:
I think you and I share the same perspective on this one. What matters most is who Jesus Christ is.

According to the bible you only have to know Jesus is the son of God, that's the required salvational title. Not the one made official doctrine 300 years later by the church
In the real world, outside of cyberspace what matters most for a persons Christianity I understanding grace.

stuart lawrence · Feb 14, 2016

Chriliman said:
Do you worship God the Father and Jesus Christ as Lord or do you only worship God the Father?

Previously answered, scroll back

stuart lawrence · Feb 14, 2016

royal priest said:
No, that's the opposite of exegesis. Exegesis is drawing the meaning out of the text. What you are referring to is called isogesis which is putting into the text something that isn't there.
You are right about contradictory doctrines. When we come to the Scriptures, we ought to lay aside preconcieved notions and let the text speak for itself within its own context.

Give me the exegesis of romans 6:14 if you would

royal priest · Feb 14, 2016

stuart lawrence said:
According to the bible you only have to know Jesus is the son of God, that's the required salvational title. Not the one made official doctrine 300 years later by the church
In the real world, outside of cyberspace what matters most for a persons Christianity I understanding grace.

Yes, but how big is that definition? It's at least as big as this Bible I'm holding!

Chriliman · Feb 14, 2016

stuart lawrence said:
Previously answered, scroll back

Right, you said you worship God the father and Jesus Christ as Lord. Since only the true God/Lord/King/Savior is worthy of our worship you worship the Father and the Son as One God/Lord/King/Savior, right?

If not then why do you worship Jesus?

stuart lawrence · Feb 14, 2016

royal priest said:
Yes, but how big is that definition? It's at least as big as this Bible I'm holding!

You need to ask yourself why that is the required title. When peter affirmed Christ was the messiah, the son of the living God, did Jesus ask for a bigger definition? No! He was well pleased with peters words, full stop!
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redleghunter · Feb 14, 2016

stuart lawrence said:
You did exegesis of scripture to try and overturn the plainly written word. That is what stimulates you. I just accept what is plainly written. But then I'm a simple chap, not that learned. A positive plus going by a lot of what you see on these kind of websites

What was not plain in what I posted from Scriptures?

stuart lawrence · Feb 14, 2016

Chriliman said:
Right, you said you worship God the father and Jesus Christ as Lord. Since only the true God/Lord/King/Savior is worthy of our worship you worship the Father and the Son as One God/Lord/King/Savior, right?

If not then why do you worship Jesus?

I have answered that previously. Copy paste what I wrote, everyone will see you are asking a question already answered

royal priest · Feb 14, 2016

stuart lawrence said:
Give me the exegesis of romans 6:14 if you would

The simplest answer I would give is that Jesus ( Matthew 1:21, He shall deliver His people from their sins) accomplished this for His people by His sinless life, atoning death, and justifying resurrection. 2 Corinthians 5:21;Romans 4:25; Galatians 2:20

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