In one of those odd twists that happen every once in a while: Justice Saclia dies...

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I'm sorry but I've read so many legal scholars' opinions lately that are exactly the opposite of your opinion. So, you know what they say about opinions. And as far as I'm concerned, yours is just wrong.
 
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You can bet your bottom dollar that if President Obama proposes a new justice the Republicans will do everything in their power to block it. Obama could nominate King Solomon and the GOP would howl bloody murder.

If that happened, the Democrats would do the same in 2017. Perhaps a Supreme Court nominee would be approved in 2021, to fill the rest of the then 6 person Supreme Court.
 
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I would love to see Elizabeth Warren appointed to the Supreme Court. She was a law professor who never rendered a judicial decision.

With a little bit of luck, Senate Republicans might be so anxious to get her out of the Senate that they'd approve her.

She would have an opportunity to educate and raise the consciousness of the remaining four conservative justices.

but she does not think that unborn children have any rights?

obviously this is not the ONLY qualification
but for example if there was a very smart person who thought that people of African ancestry were sub-human, despite all their other qualifications I could not support this person because this single belief shows that they have a very flawed thought process
I would say the same for the very strong pro-abortion crowd
 
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Yes, the historical precedent happened the last time under the Tyler administration.

about 1840.

More recently both Nixon and Reagan had justices appointed in their last year of office.

Kennedy was nominated in November of 1987, just a month an a half before the election year, and he was confirmed by congress in February of 1988, the election year.

The idea that its not a precedent was changed by Scalia dying in an election year which hasn't happened for 80 years.

But so what ? It shouldn't matter one way or another.

The Constitution states that the President will nominate candidates for the Supreme Court and the Senate will confirm.
No where in the Constitution does it say the sitting president will be limited to this authority for just the first three years of his presidency.

Jim
 
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If the Republicans in office refuse to bring Obama's appointment through the process, it will help the democrat nominee, to win the General Election.

If its Hillary, you can bet her nominee will be a far left pro-abortion feminist.

Jim
 
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If the Republicans in office refuse to bring Obama's appointment through the process, it will help the democrat nominee, to win the General Election.

If its Hillary, you can bet her nominee will be a far left pro-abortion feminist.

Jim

The sad thing is, Republicans in congress probably actually believe this.

It does seem that the biggest stand they would make would be to hurry through the nominee of a democrat president, to avoid having to confirm the nominee of a future democrat president.

If they did more than that people might call them "obstructionist" or maybe even "racist." There's a limit to what people are able to endure for the cause.
 
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Kennedy was nominated in November of 1987, just a month an a half before the election year, and he was confirmed by congress in February of 1988, the election year.

The idea that its not a precedent was changed by Scalia dying in an election year which hasn't happened for 80 years.

But so what ? It shouldn't matter one way or another.

The Constitution states that the President will nominate candidates for the Supreme Court and the Senate will confirm.
No where in the Constitution does it say the sitting president will be limited to this authority for just the first three years of his presidency.

Jim

The Senate is under no obligation to do the bidding of the President.
 
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If the Republicans in office refuse to bring Obama's appointment through the process, it will help the democrat nominee, to win the General Election.

If its Hillary, you can bet her nominee will be a far left pro-abortion feminist.

Jim

Remember this one?

Robert Bork selection[edit]
Main article: Robert Bork Supreme Court nomination
Supreme Court Justice Lewis Powell was a moderate, and even before his expected retirement on June 27, 1987, Senate Democrats had asked liberal leaders to form "a solid phalanx" to oppose whomever President Ronald Reagan nominated to replace him, assuming it would tilt the court rightward; Democrats warned Reagan there would be a fight.[8] Reagan considered appointing Utah Senator Orrin Hatch to the seat, but Congress had approved $6,000 pay raises for Supreme Court Justices in February, raising a problem under the Ineligibility Clause of the United States Constitution, which prohibits a member of Congress from accepting an appointment for which the pay had been increased during that member's term. A memorandum by Assistant Attorney General Charles J. Cooper rejected the notion that a Saxbe fix—a rollback of the salary for the position—could satisfy the Ineligibility Clause.[9][10] Hatch had been on the short list of two finalists with Robert Bork,[11][12] but after the Ineligibility Clause had been brought to light, Hatch was no longer under consideration. Reagan nominated Robert Bork for the seat on July 1, 1987.

Within 45 minutes of Bork's nomination to the Court, Ted Kennedy (D-MA) took to the Senate floor with a strong condemnation of Bork in a nationally televised speech, declaring, "Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens."[13]

A brief was prepared for Joe Biden, head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, called the Biden Report. Bork later said in his best-selling[14] book The Tempting of America that the report "so thoroughly misrepresented a plain record that it easily qualifies as world class in the category of scurrility".[15] TV ads narrated by Gregory Peck attacked Bork as an extremist, and Kennedy's speech successfully fueled widespread public skepticism of Bork's nomination. The rapid response of Kennedy's "Robert Bork's America" speech stunned the Reagan White House; though conservatives considered Kennedy's accusations slanderous,[8] the attacks went unanswered for two-and-a-half months.[16]

A hotly contested United States Senate debate over Bork's nomination ensued, partly fueled by strong opposition by civil rights and women's rights groups concerned with what they claimed was Bork's desire to roll back civil rights decisions of the Warren and Burger courts. Bork is one of only three Supreme Court nominees to ever be opposed by the ACLU.[17] Bork was also criticized for being an "advocate of disproportionate powers for the executive branch of Government, almost executive supremacy",[18] as demonstrated by his role in the Saturday Night Massacre.

During debate over his nomination, Bork's video rental history was leaked to the press, which led to the enactment of the 1988 Video Privacy Protection Act. His video rental history was unremarkable, and included such harmless titles as A Day at the Races, Ruthless People and The Man Who Knew Too Much. The list of rentals was originally printed by Washington D.C.'s City Paper.[19]

To pro-choice legal groups, Bork's originalist views and his belief that the Constitution does not contain a general "right to privacy" were viewed as a clear signal that, should he become a Justice on the Supreme Court, he would vote to reverse the Court's 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade. Accordingly, a large number of liberal advocacy groups mobilized to press for Bork's rejection, and the resulting 1987 Senate confirmation hearings became an intensely partisan battle. Bork was faulted for his bluntness before the committee, including his criticism of the reasoning underlying Roe v. Wade.

As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Senator Joe Biden presided over Bork's hearing.[20] Biden stated his opposition to Bork soon after the nomination, reversing an approval in an interview of a hypothetical Bork nomination he had made the previous year and angering conservatives who thought he could not conduct the hearings dispassionately.[21] At the close, Biden won praise for conducting the proceedings fairly and with good humor and courage, as his 1988 presidential campaign collapsed in the middle of the hearings.[21][22] Biden framed his discussion around the belief that the U.S. Constitution provides rights to liberty and privacy that extend beyond those explicitly enumerated in the text, and that Bork's strong originalism was ideologically incompatible with that view.[22] Bork's nomination was rejected in the committee by a 9–5 vote,[22] and then rejected in the full Senate by a 58–42 margin.[23]

On October 23, 1987, the Senate rejected Bork's confirmation, with 42 senators voting in favor and 58 voting against. Senators David Boren (D-OK) and Ernest Hollings (D-SC) voted in favor, with Senators John Chafee (R-RI), Bob Packwood (R-OR), Richard Shelby (D-AL), Arlen Specter (R-PA), Robert Stafford (R-VT), John Warner (R-VA) and Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. (R-CT) all voting no.[23]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Supreme_Court_candidates#Anthony_Kennedy_nomination
 
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24 Republican senators are running for reelection this year. 10 Democrats are. They could easily lose their majority.

It seems like they're taking a fairly big chance if they wait in the hopes that they will regain the Presidency and keep control of the Senate.

But if a recess appointment must be made, there may be a purpose. There could be another Gore/Bush situation, where the Democrat would win the popular vote but the electoral count would be questioned because of 16 red states passing voter suppression laws to discriminate against minorities, youth, and the elderly.

If that happened, it would be heavenly to have an Obama recess employee on the Supreme Court...it could even make up for the election that Justice Scalia helped take from Al Gore in 2000.

He would only be appointed until January 21...but that would be long enough.
 
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The Senate is under no obligation to do the bidding of the President.

Bidding ?

Congress is required to confirm or reject the president's nominees. To not do so means they're not doing their job and should be removed from office. Doesn't matter if they're republicans or democrats.

This grid lock between the parties has to stop.

Some place their party alliance ahead of being Americans.

Jim
 
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Bidding ?

Congress is required to confirm or reject the president's nominees. To not do so means they're not doing their job and should be removed from office. Doesn't matter if they're republicans or democrats.

This grid lock between the parties has to stop.

Some place their party alliance ahead of being Americans.

Jim
No they are not "required." I'm just stating a fact of how the process works. The Senate can do what it wants.
 
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Remember this one?

Robert Bork selection[edit]
Main article: Robert Bork Supreme Court nomination
Supreme Court Justice Lewis Powell was a moderate, and even before his expected retirement on June 27, 1987, Senate Democrats had asked liberal leaders to form "a solid phalanx" to oppose whomever President Ronald Reagan nominated to replace him, assuming it would tilt the court rightward; Democrats warned Reagan there would be a fight.[8] Reagan considered appointing Utah Senator Orrin Hatch to the seat, but Congress had approved $6,000 pay raises for Supreme Court Justices in February, raising a problem under the Ineligibility Clause of the United States Constitution, which prohibits a member of Congress from accepting an appointment for which the pay had been increased during that member's term. A memorandum by Assistant Attorney General Charles J. Cooper rejected the notion that a Saxbe fix—a rollback of the salary for the position—could satisfy the Ineligibility Clause.[9][10] Hatch had been on the short list of two finalists with Robert Bork,[11][12] but after the Ineligibility Clause had been brought to light, Hatch was no longer under consideration. Reagan nominated Robert Bork for the seat on July 1, 1987.

Within 45 minutes of Bork's nomination to the Court, Ted Kennedy (D-MA) took to the Senate floor with a strong condemnation of Bork in a nationally televised speech, declaring, "Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens."[13]

A brief was prepared for Joe Biden, head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, called the Biden Report. Bork later said in his best-selling[14] book The Tempting of America that the report "so thoroughly misrepresented a plain record that it easily qualifies as world class in the category of scurrility".[15] TV ads narrated by Gregory Peck attacked Bork as an extremist, and Kennedy's speech successfully fueled widespread public skepticism of Bork's nomination. The rapid response of Kennedy's "Robert Bork's America" speech stunned the Reagan White House; though conservatives considered Kennedy's accusations slanderous,[8] the attacks went unanswered for two-and-a-half months.[16]

A hotly contested United States Senate debate over Bork's nomination ensued, partly fueled by strong opposition by civil rights and women's rights groups concerned with what they claimed was Bork's desire to roll back civil rights decisions of the Warren and Burger courts. Bork is one of only three Supreme Court nominees to ever be opposed by the ACLU.[17] Bork was also criticized for being an "advocate of disproportionate powers for the executive branch of Government, almost executive supremacy",[18] as demonstrated by his role in the Saturday Night Massacre.

During debate over his nomination, Bork's video rental history was leaked to the press, which led to the enactment of the 1988 Video Privacy Protection Act. His video rental history was unremarkable, and included such harmless titles as A Day at the Races, Ruthless People and The Man Who Knew Too Much. The list of rentals was originally printed by Washington D.C.'s City Paper.[19]

To pro-choice legal groups, Bork's originalist views and his belief that the Constitution does not contain a general "right to privacy" were viewed as a clear signal that, should he become a Justice on the Supreme Court, he would vote to reverse the Court's 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade. Accordingly, a large number of liberal advocacy groups mobilized to press for Bork's rejection, and the resulting 1987 Senate confirmation hearings became an intensely partisan battle. Bork was faulted for his bluntness before the committee, including his criticism of the reasoning underlying Roe v. Wade.

As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Senator Joe Biden presided over Bork's hearing.[20] Biden stated his opposition to Bork soon after the nomination, reversing an approval in an interview of a hypothetical Bork nomination he had made the previous year and angering conservatives who thought he could not conduct the hearings dispassionately.[21] At the close, Biden won praise for conducting the proceedings fairly and with good humor and courage, as his 1988 presidential campaign collapsed in the middle of the hearings.[21][22] Biden framed his discussion around the belief that the U.S. Constitution provides rights to liberty and privacy that extend beyond those explicitly enumerated in the text, and that Bork's strong originalism was ideologically incompatible with that view.[22] Bork's nomination was rejected in the committee by a 9–5 vote,[22] and then rejected in the full Senate by a 58–42 margin.[23]

On October 23, 1987, the Senate rejected Bork's confirmation, with 42 senators voting in favor and 58 voting against. Senators David Boren (D-OK) and Ernest Hollings (D-SC) voted in favor, with Senators John Chafee (R-RI), Bob Packwood (R-OR), Richard Shelby (D-AL), Arlen Specter (R-PA), Robert Stafford (R-VT), John Warner (R-VA) and Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. (R-CT) all voting no.[23]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Supreme_Court_candidates#Anthony_Kennedy_nomination


Yeah, I remember, I watch the entire thing cuz I was home with the flu.

However, remember that the democratic controlled congress did in fact confirm Justice Kennedy in 1988, an election year when Reagan was a lame duck president and had lost popular support after Iran-Contra.

Jim
 
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No they are not "required." I'm just stating a fact of how the process works. The Senate is can do what it wants.

Read the constitution, the Senate confirms the president's nominees.

That's their job.

By your logic, no justices at all would ever have to be confirmed by congress.

Jim
 
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Yeah, I remember, I watch the entire thing cuz I was home with the flu.

However, remember that the democratic controlled congress did in fact confirm Justice Kennedy in 1988, an election year when Reagan was a lame duck president and had lost popular support after Iran-Contra.

Jim
True but the process began in 77. Also, I posted that to show just how the Democrats have handled things in Supreme Court nominations by Republican Presidents. The Senate can say no to the President and that could easily happen here.
 
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Read the constitution, the Senate confirms the president's nominees.

That's their job.

By your logic, no justices at all would ever have to be confirmed by congress.

Jim

No, they don't have to confirm just because the President submits an appointment. It's not my logic. It's how the process works. The Senate has Constitutional powers, not obligations. They don't serve the President.
 
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True but the process began in 77. Also, I posted that to show just how the Democrats have handled things in Supreme Court nominations by Republican Presidents. The Senate can say no to the President and that could easily happen here.

But all that matters is the confirmation. And the democrats confirmed Kennedy readily.

I diasgred what the did to Bork, I thought he was an excellent choice.

Jim
 
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