Does Science Agree With the Bible?

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Hi,

It is an insult, to me, that you say that I have not responded to you.

It is a pejorative and therefore hurtful to me, for you to insult my objective observations, by calling them subjectively, derogatory.

To talk to an educated scientist, like to a small bad child, after the educated scientist has apologized to you if she is wrong, is humiliating, and it hurts.

To say I have pretended to ignore you, after giving you my exhaustive to me, personal research that is presently being verified, to answer you, is an insult, and a lie.

You have been answered.

Next set of insults please.

I have limits. You have not reached that limit yet, but you are getting closer to it.

LOVE,
I had a friend once point something out to me that I never really understood before. He said some of the very nicest people in this world are also some of the meanest. That is the way the flesh works, it has to maintain balance. There are people that are very kind, gentle, compassionate and understanding. Yet they are also some of the meanest people you will ever find. I do not know this for myself, I am just telling you what my friend told me. As you know with the flesh we have to take the good and the bad in life. So as Christians we seek to live according to the Spirit because when you are Spiritual then the good outweighs the bad and the quality of our life is a lot better then if we were to live according to the flesh.
 
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Stress can have negative impacts on health yes. Now, provide evidence that Gould's health issues were caused by stress.
"Although stress can cause a number of physical health problems, the evidence that it can cause cancer is weak. Some studies have indicated a link between various psychological factors and an increased risk of developing cancer, but others have not."

http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/coping/feelings/stress-fact-sheet

Overcoming cancer can be a huge battle. In some cases you have to really want to live to fight the fight to overcome it. Even people can not always do it on their own but they need the help of a loving caring support system found in Christian communities. I never heard an atheist tell me that I overcame my life threatening disease because of the support I find in the atheist community. You hear that with Christians all the time.
 
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Hey there, fellow atheist-musician-scientific thinker! Classical guitarist here, and some experience on the trombone.
Nice, I'm a pianist.
Rock guitarist and singer, at yer service! :D
And all anti-creationists ... right?

I know a musician too.

Ezekiel 28:13c ... the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
 
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Yes, but they dont value those words. I wasn't contradicting you or anything, i was actually trying to show support. I dont always know how to do that in the best way. Anyway thank you.

Hi,

Dear. You are supporting me. I did not mention it. I thought you knew, that I loved your correct statement.

I was just trying to let you know that as disparate and horrible as this is, I was trusting and knowing God would decide between the two of us.

I loved your words of comfort love and acknowledgement. Those put you with me in my heart and at my side.

I setched quickly, thinking you understand, that you too did not have to fight and die, for God might come to our rescue. And, God not coming to your or my personal rescue is to die.

Death though as you know for you is to be with God, sooner perhaps than you expected or thought.

Even emotional deaths are that.

Our body lives on after emotional death, in which we are very much with God then, and when that death is over, it is back to work we go.

Each experience, death of the body, or our emotions being killed, (and I don't have the words for this concept, so death in emotions is only a guess now, at what is really going on), is gain to us, as we gain God, instantly.

Musing: Once though I remember a Heaven to human conversation, someone told us about. It was Mary. Again although only binding upon the person receiving that private revelation,, I listened and take it on faith that indeed it is true.

It is this. Mary has been working for us, since she died. She, Mary told that to a girl.

If true, and I totally think and hope that is true, why should I or God be any different.

Mary worked on earth. All women do. If Mary is working in heaven, fine.

Why should I not be like her, that way. Jesus, in another private revelation to someone, mentions that He too is working.

So everyone might be working in heaven.

I am fine with that, even if I am wrong slightly.

So, I was telling you that although you were needed and wanted and you were, are, were then, are now, helping much, that also God says there is Romans 13:1-5, there Civilian Laws, which are God's also take over at some point.

I was also telling you that in Proverbs God also tells us that, He helps us out if we are right, and just, where, and you don't have to believe this either, that Angel, a Guardian One, was told to tell me some things from God, but not to me directly, but through his, that Angel's main charge that can hear and talk to his Angel, because of something Jesus did, set it up that way personally, with that boy, so the Angel through that boy, who I was working on and with for a totally separate subject, told the boy, that he was to tell me some things too, and the boy was not to understand those things, he didn't when it was done. I was told, just and right, where those two words mean the same thing, by that angel, has a definition by God, that I was to know.

Now back to the point so far, to me if you and I are just in right in our dealings, God says that any traps set for us, will capture our foes and not us, in Proverbs.

I was telling you that I, with you by my side, was also waiting on that and one more thing from God in Proverbs.

It is, what these people are like, their goals, and how we are supposed to react and treat them.

I am am to allow myself to be insulted up to a point, never to talk like they do, but respond, then respond, so they do not seem wise in their own eyes.,

In other words, I engage because I am supposed to engage. When it gets out of hand I rely on God.

In this case, God sent in you as part of that help to me.

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

Dear. You are supporting me. I did not mention it. I thought you knew, that I loved your correct statement.

I was just trying to let you know that as disparate and horrible as this is, I was trusting and knowing God would decide between the two of us.

I loved your words of comfort love and acknowledgement. Those put you with me in my heart and at my side.

I setched quickly, thinking you understand, that you too did not have to fight and die, for God might come to our rescue. And, God not coming to your or my personal rescue is to die.

Death though as you know for you is to be with God, sooner perhaps than you expected or thought.

Even emotional deaths are that.

Our body lives on after emotional death, in which we are very much with God then, and when that death is over, it is back to work we go.

Each experience, death of the body, or our emotions being killed, (and I don't have the words for this concept, so death in emotions is only a guess now, at what is really going on), is gain to us, as we gain God, instantly.

Musing: Once though I remember a Heaven to human conversation, someone told us about. It was Mary. Again although only binding upon the person receiving that private revelation,, I listened and take it on faith that indeed it is true.

It is this. Mary has been working for us, since she died. She, Mary told that to a girl.

If true, and I totally think and hope that is true, why should I or God be any different.

Mary worked on earth. All women do. If Mary is working in heaven, fine.

Why should I not be like her, that way. Jesus, in another private revelation to someone, mentions that He too is working.

So everyone might be working in heaven.

I am fine with that, even if I am wrong slightly.

So, I was telling you that although you were needed and wanted and you were, are, were then, are now, helping much, that also God says there is Romans 13:1-5, there Civilian Laws, which are God's also take over at some point.

I was also telling you that in Proverbs God also tells us that, He helps us out if we are right, and just, where, and you don't have to believe this either, that Angel, a Guardian One, was told to tell me some things from God, but not to me directly, but through his, that Angel's main charge that can hear and talk to his Angel, because of something Jesus did, set it up that way personally, with that boy, so the Angel through that boy, who I was working on and with for a totally separate subject, told the boy, that he was to tell me some things too, and the boy was not to understand those things, he didn't when it was done. I was told, just and right, where those two words mean the same thing, by that angel, has a definition by God, that I was to know.

Now back to the point so far, to me if you and I are just in right in our dealings, God says that any traps set for us, will capture our foes and not us, in Proverbs.

I was telling you that I, with you by my side, was also waiting on that and one more thing from God in Proverbs.

It is, what these people are like, their goals, and how we are supposed to react and treat them.

I am am to allow myself to be insulted up to a point, never to talk like they do, but respond, then respond, so they do not seem wise in their own eyes.,

In other words, I engage because I am supposed to engage. When it gets out of hand I rely on God.

In this case, God sent in you as part of that help to me.

LOVE,

Thank you.
 
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Again a very lengthy and detailed response, thank you. The 'country' question is relevant in terms of national religiosity. Here in Australia, at the 2011 National Census, some 22% of the population admitted to having no religion. Based on my personal experience, I think I would not be too far wrong in surmising that a solid percentage of those people would scoff at the idea of the existence of God or any gods. I know that religiosity runs a lot higher in the U.S.A. Still, in your study you found no disbelievers! I think that's rather curious and in my case, as difficult to believe as it is for me to believe in the existence of gods! Please clarify, if you wouldn't mind: Was your study conducted along a recognised scientific method i.e. did you use a scientifically determined random demographic sample? Had questions been written to prevent bias and had the questions been independently reviewed for bias prior to the commencement of the study? Did you use multiple coded interpreters who didn't know the purpose of the questions? Was your study and the method peer reviewed and replicated at any time to confirm the results? How large was the sample? Where was it conducted and could there have been external influences skewing the responses? It's important before drawing a conclusion from any survey or study, that your data is correct through random repetitions. How do you think your study measures up?

Best etc.

Olaf.

Hi, (edits going on now) (done)

Calibrate everything.

If a single item used is not recently calibrated, all the data is thrown out, as that is an unknown now.

Our manager never had group meetings, as no two of us ever worked on the same project, typically.

Later whenever possible, I did 1:1 correlations.

The work mentioned was not statistical, nor a statistically repeating set of tests to slowly approach a 1:1 correlation, if possible or actually there.

The search was world wide, but that was not forced., as in science, the kind I knew no differently in, as that was my whole existence in a sense, as I had my BSEE, equivalent by age 21 and 7/12ths years old at the time, not counting conception which would increase my actual age by .75 years typically, and I was working for the top research Company in America within three months of graduation, and later would continue to work with my parents, simultaneously, in both their lives as my parents and their business as their source of economic survival among other things there too, as such being nothing more than a nerd^^3, and a mushroom^^4, possibly, all I ever knew then was how to do provable research with proofs, and the proofs had to stand up also, so as a world wide search was used, the data was taken and calibrated wherever the data was found.

All data is thrown out whenever possible. There is a constant battle going on, with trying to prove any mistake is made in the data. It's vicious and horrible in a way. And, I am under constant scrutiny.

As a result, what survives, usually is totally right, if it shows anything at all.

At work, even I was right, and my proof failed, I failed. If anyone's proof failed, they failed, even if they were right.

Proofs were everything in a way.


Yes, Full Scientific Rigor, Controls, Discipline, were used in that work.

And, it was done at the walking text book level, meaning the equivalent of noted Researchers, that others use for a reference, when need information, and the researcher in question has that finding.

Your suppositions, that many in Australia would respond, means there is much fun there.

What do you think the God, climate is like, when working with the top 5%, of the most academically accomplished people in the world?, it is probably thinner, than what you mention.

Make no mistakes. Scientists are very much in to God, but in this way.

They are all Priests and Ministers and even prophets of a sort also, but do not know nor use, but one thing Theologically, and are deeply, in good, with God, for working for Him, and falling deeply in love, with the beauty and ways of God!!!

These are the subdue the earth boys and girls. The Genesis 1:28, subdue the earth boys and girls.

Now, this is how to use those results, scientifically, in the Genesis 1:28, subdue the earth way.

Do not accept what I said. Prove that it is not true,,, in your own experimenting with it. Or, test it to see if it is true.

You do not own that information, until you understand it, and you have proven it is true.

Developers come. Researchers research. Later, if a developer, uses a researchers work and still finds it works, production may take place, then workers all over the world use that product or information.

The work was done at the research level. I use it at the customer level.

Does that make sense?

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

Calibrate everything.

If a single item used is not recently calibrated, all the data is thrown out, as that is an unknown now.

Our manager never had group meetings, as no two of us ever worked on the same project, typically.

Later whenever possible, I did 1:1 correlations.

The work mentioned was not statistical, nor a statistically repeating set of tests to slowly approach a 1:1 correlation, if possible or actually there.

The search was world wide, but that was not forced., as in science, the kind I knew no differently in, as that was my whole existence in a sense, as I had my BSEE, equivalent by age 21 and 7/12ths years old at the time, not counting conception which would increase my actual age by .75 years typically, and I was working for the top research Company in America within three years of graduation, and later would continue to work with my parents, simultaneously, in both their lives as my parents and their business as their source of economic survival among other things there too, as such being nothing more than a nerd^^3, and a mushroom^^4, possibly, all I Jen then was how to do provable research with proofs, and the proofs had to stand up also.

At work, even I was right, and my proof failed, I failed. If anyone's proof failed, they failed, even if they were right.

Proofs were everything in a way.


Yes, Full Scientific Rigor, Controls, Discipline, were used in that work.

And, it was done at the walking text book level, meaning the equivalent of noted Researchers, that others use for a reference, when need information, and the researcher in question has that finding.

Your suppositions, that many in Australia would respond, means there is much fun there.

What do you think the God, climate is like, when working with the top 5%, of the most academically accomplished people in the world?, it is probably thinner, than what you mention.

Make no mistakes. Scientists are very much in to God, but in this way.

They are all Priests and Ministers and even prophets of a sort also, but do no know nor use, but one thing Theologically, and are deeply, in good, with God, for working for Him, and falling deeply in love, with the beauty and ways of God!!!

These are the subdue the earth boys and girls. The Genesis 1:28, subdue the earth boys and girls.

Now, this is how to use those results, scientifically, in the Genesis 1:28, subdue the earth way.

Do not accept what I said. Prove that it is not true,,, in your own experimenting with it. Or, test it to serif it is true.

You do not own that information, until you understand it, and you have proven it is true.

Developers come. Researchers research. Later, if a developer, uses s researchers work and still finds it works, production may take place, then workers all over the world use that product or information.

The work was done at the research level. I use it at the customer level.

Does that make sense?

LOVE,

I thought Olaf asked some very important questions.

I don't see how any of your response addresses his questions.

Maybe Olaf, will have a different take.
 
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I thought Olaf asked some very important questions.

I don't see how any of your response addresses his questions.

Maybe Olaf, will have a different take.


Hi,

He did. His questions are being answered correctly and totally.

You have two insults in this response of yours to me.

Knock it off.

LOVE,
 
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Point those insults out please.

Hi,

As I said before. Until you answer all the questions put to you, we are done.

That has not changed.

Your series of insults are not being listened to anymore.

Your requests like here to please be allowed to ask more questions cannot be done, until you answer the questions put to you.

Now though, you must also stop insulting.


LOVE,
 
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Hi,

As I said before. Until you answer all the questions put to you, we are done.

That has not changed.

Your series of insults are not being listened to anymore.

Your requests like here to please be allowed to ask more questions cannot be done, until you answer the questions put to you.

Now though, you must also stop insulting.


LOVE,

What insults?

Please point them specifically out.
 
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Uh, thanks.

I am an atheist, always have been. I'm not a scientist. I'm a musician. But I have a very strong interest in science.

Hi,

Scientists love Artists. We always have.

Theoretically the reason we do, is that we work in the same field.

I did not know the reverse is true.

I was though told, (required reading in college, now, the relationship between Art and Physics, 10 or more years ago, but my degree was was for 1966), that scientists never knew the connection was there, while the artists all know it.

Your loving science, tells me much about you in music.

LOVE,
 
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Hey there, fellow atheist-musician-scientific thinker! Classical guitarist here, and some experience on the trombone.

Hi,

Please, all of you, come to my house, WITH your instruments.

I am not joking, even though it is not really possible, as I live in Corvallis Oregon, and you all live far away from that.

I got Jim though. He was the Oregon State University's Band Director.

So, in large moments of intellectual deprivations, I run over to his house to talk.

He is amazing also.

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

I had a friend once point something out to me that I never really understood before. He said some of the very nicest people in this world are also some of the meanest.

Nice in public is a cover for Narcissim, many times.

It's part of the Sheeps clothing Biblically.

Matthew 7:15-16, Jesus there is telling us about them and their kind there.

That group also exists in the non religious world, and acting nice is high on their list, with their intended victims, and prey.


That is the way the flesh works, it has to maintain balance. There are people that are very kind, gentle, compassionate and understanding.

Yes, God refers to them as grapes and figs, women and men respectively, if in fact they are real.


Yet they are also some of the meanest people you will ever find.

Thus They are actually wolves, or called some form of Personality Disorder, or those conditions that mimic that.

I do not know this for myself, I am just telling you what my friend told me.

I do have that experience though. I will try and count the man-years of that for you. Sum of the people times the number of years working with them, individually.

I can't. It over, 140.

As you know with the flesh we have to take the good and the bad in life.

I fight the bad and accept the good.

So as Christians we seek to live according to the Spirit because when you are Spiritual then the good outweighs the bad and the quality of our life is a lot better then if we were to live according to the flesh.

YES YES. YES YES YES. YES!

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

Are you willing to play nicely yet?

LOVE,

My two main questions are still in play:

1. Justification and evidence please for the personal claims you have made about me in this thread.

2. Please point out to me the insults I have thrown your way.

It appears, simply asking you to clarify and provide support for the above, is insulting to you.
 
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My two main questions are still in play:

1. Justification and evidence please for the personal claims you have made about me in this thread.

2. Please point out to me the insults I have thrown your way.

It appears, simply asking you to clarify and provide support for the above, is insulting to you.

Hi,

1. Already done, and you have the Post Number given to already.

2. You are in jail now. You were put there for not answering questions.

Now, you are acting like any jailbird. You are railing at your plight.

LOVE,

Hi,

For everyone else here, not you, it took much time, before I finally asked this person, to answer some of a very long list of questions that he still refuses to answer.,

When he started not answering questions, was when he was displaying incredulity at my background and research, when I finally asked him, what his education was that allows him to falsify, all the work, and all the educated people who have verified my work.,

Instantly he clammed up. I have an advanced degree in medical something he said.

He continues to falsify even Controlled Experiments, on his authority alone.

He falsified the companies I worked for, on his authority alone. Etc Etc Etc


Method.


His method as observed so far, is in the use of questions.

He adds something disparaging to each of them.

Recently, he has entrenched his position of not answering any questions.

To you, he is saying that it is I and not him who is not answering, as he has totally left out why, it is no longer reasonable, ethical, or moral to answer his questions, yet.

It, is not, because he has not corrected his behavior.

If I look the other way. Then I let you become victims also.

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

1. Already done, and you have the Post Number given to already.

2. You are in jail now. You were put there for not answering questions.

Now, you are acting like any jailbird. You are railing at your plight.

LOVE,

Hi,

For everyone else here, not you, it took much time, before I finally asked this person, to answer some of a very long list of questions that he still refuses to answer.,

When he started not answering questions, was when he was displaying incredulity at my background and research, when I finally asked him, what his education was that allows him to falsify, all the work, and all the educated people who have verified my work.,

Instantly he clammed up. I have an advanced degree in medical something he said.

He continues to falsify even Controlled Experiments, on his authority alone.

He falsified the companies I worked for, on his authority alone. Etc Etc Etc


Method.


His method as observed so far, is in the use of questions.

He adds something disparaging to each of them.

Recently, he has entrenched his position of not answering any questions.

To you, he is saying that it is I and not him who is not answering, as he has totally left out why, it is no longer reasonable, ethical, or moral to answer his questions, yet.

It, is not, because he has not corrected his behavior.

If I look the other way. Then I let you become victims also.

LOVE,

My two questions still stand and I asked you to clarify in your posts, what evidence and substantiation you used to make a personal claim about me and you did not respond, except with another long post, which did not address the question at hand.

By the way, long drawn out responses irrelevant to the specific points I have asked you about, are failing miserably.

I will wait for you to substantiate your claims about me with evidence, I am a patient man.
 
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My two questions still stand and I asked you to clarify in your posts, what evidence and substantiation you used to make a personal claim about me and you did not respond, except with another long post, which did not address the question at hand.

By the way, long drawn out responses irrelevant to the specific points I have asked you about, are failing miserably.

I will wait for you to substantiate your claims about me with evidence, I am a patient man.

Hi,

Good bye.

To @bhsmte only, not the rest of you.

LOVE,
 
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