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I'm basically addicted. I play in an 8 ball ACS league and a 9 ball APA league.
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Drunk people. So difficult. But I win.
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Sorry, but that is utterly incorrect. Alzheimers....schizophrenia...chronic depression...tourettes...these are mental disorders. Alcoholism is an addiction. Nothing personal but I have always bristled at how non-accountable such terms make alcoholism sound. The only one more absurd is calling it a "disease."
To a point and in some circumstances, yes. But taken too far, "tolerance"/etc can be the worst thing for an alcoholic.
And as MDC said, this is all likely moot; being drunk does not equate to being an alcoholic.
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Did you not read the link I provided? Alcoholism is classified as a mental disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5). That manual is used world wide and is the standard for all psychologists, therapists, and psychiatrists.
MDC and bill5
How do you know that the drunk is not an alcoholic. What is the difference in your mind? Is an alcoholic a guy in an overcoat with a bottle in a brown paper bag, and sitting on a park bench?
What intolerance! What did you guys give up for Lent, caffeine, sugar, or booze? Withdrawals symptoms are restlessness, irritability, and discontent.
Did you not read the link I provided? Alcoholism is classified as a mental disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5). That manual is used world wide and is the standard for all psychologists, therapists, and psychiatrists.
MDC and bill5
How do you know that the drunk is not an alcoholic. What is the difference in your mind? Is an alcoholic a guy in an overcoat with a bottle in a brown paper bag, and sitting on a park bench?
What intolerance! What did you guys give up for Lent, caffeine, sugar, or booze? Withdrawals symptoms are restlessness, irritability, and discontent.
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An alcoholic can be someone that is dependent on alcohol, abuses alcohol, or can't stop drinking once they start. I'm an alcoholic and I fall into the third category. I don't crave alcohol, but I drink it frequently, and once I start, I can't stop. I gave it up for Lent in an effort to get it out of my life.
My question to you is, how can you assume that he is an alcoholic? You don't know him. A vast majority of people that get drunk or have been drunk are not alcoholics. You seem to want to call him an alcoholic pretty badly, but it's just an assumption. Outside of seeing him at the Methodist Church in town during the summer because my kids go to the yearly play day they have there, I rarely see him, and I'd never seen him in the bar before. As an actual alcoholic and someone that spends a lot of time on the pool table, you'd think I would have seen him at the bar before if he was actually an alcoholic considering we have a grand total of two of them in town.
There is no intolerance here. Quit being dramatic.
My question to you is, how can you assume that he is an alcoholic? You don't know him. A vast majority of people that get drunk or have been drunk are not alcoholics. You seem to want to call him an alcoholic pretty badly, but it's just an assumption. Outside of seeing him at the Methodist Church in town during the summer because my kids go to the yearly play day they have there, I rarely see him, and I'd never seen him in the bar before. As an actual alcoholic and someone that spends a lot of time on the pool table, you'd think I would have seen him at the bar before if he was actually an alcoholic considering we have a grand total of two of them in town.
There is no intolerance here. Quit being dramatic.
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I suppose when you drink and cannot stop, you don't get drunk and never get in somebody's face.
What have other people said about your drinking - are you really that innocent, righteous, and liked?
Lent is a time of repentance for most.
What have other people said about your drinking - are you really that innocent, righteous, and liked?
Lent is a time of repentance for most.
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Actually, yes, I'm well liked, and no, I don't cause scenes. I have a very high alcohol tolerance, and I'm also a very quite person. I have High Functioning Autism, and as such, I'm mostly non-verbal in social environments, whether I'm drinking or not. I prefer to sit by myself and not be spoken to. Everyone knows this and most people are gracious. Most will say hi and leave me alone unless we are playing pool, which I love to do. When I'm out with my best friend or my parents and sister, most of the time they won't even notice me leave the bar because I'm not one for goodbyes, and since I'm so quiet, I slip away unnoticed, no matter how much I've had. I have also trained myself to only drink beer in bars, so while I've always got a drink, I'm not getting obliterated in public. You should just stop. You're trying to make me an angry drunk and this man an innocent alcoholic. It's bogus. You're assuming over and over again and striking out every single time.
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They're wrong. Won't be the first time.
You seem to have misread our posts. Being drunk is not the same as being A drunk (ie alcoholic). Just because someone gets drunk does not make them an alcoholic. He might be, he might not. Follow now?
The pot/kettle thing. Shocking. PS please look up the word "intolerance." It doesn't mean what you think to seem it does.
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Sorry you see it that way. Now I understand where you are coming from.
I will leave you as you are.
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But how do you know that the guy who is drunk is not an alcoholic? Because you can't know what they do behind closed doors, you have decided that the guy who is drunk is not an alcoholic. So does that give you justification to be intolerant to all people who are drunk? Intolerance = unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.
Since you disagree with the DSM-5 on alcoholism as a mental disorder, I suppose you think it is a human weakness of willpower or some nonsense as such. That an alcoholic does not suffer from a strange twisted form of thinking, an insanity, that gets them to drink alcohol in full denial of the consequences. An alcoholic does not have to drink to become insane, they get insane before hand, to start drinking again thinking it will be different this time, or worse, they simply don't care anymore.
Maybe ask yourself why you are so against a person who is an addict.
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But how can you assume he is an alcoholic based on the very limited knowledge you have of him and considering the fact that a vast majority of people that get drunk or have been drunk are not alcoholics? You can't say that he's an alcoholic. You don't know. The evidence suggests that he's more than likely a guy that can't handle his liquor. Plus, like potheads, alcoholics are generally only angry when they don't have any alcohol (or weed).
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The drunk person may not be an alcoholic. If we assume that any drunk person is an alcoholic we have a better chance of dealing with the situation a lot better than to assume they are just drunk this time and are totally responsible for their actions. Where an alcoholic is by law responsible for their actions, but medically they are not.
A person who cannot handle the drink and returns to the bottle again and again points to alcoholism.
Generally true, but I have seen many angry drunks who always like to fight. I have seen happy drunks, sad drunks, anxious drunks, but most display a variety of these.
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Once again, you're assuming that he goes back to the bottle again and again, when there is no evidence of this.
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I read what you are saying, but I believe it is better to see all drunks as possibly being alcoholic.
A person seen for the first time as drunk does not mean they are not alcoholic.
An alcoholic can be a so called cupboard drinker, or secret drinker, and they drink at home secretly. Many female alcoholics drink this way, due to the stigma of being a 'woman alcoholic'. Some are binge drinkers too, and only drink on occasions but always getting drunk, but isolate themselves at home. That is why I said, who knows what a person does behind closed doors.
Also, a person can become alcoholic from their very first drink.
The point is, it is better to treat all drunk people as an alcoholic who cannot help themselves. In this way, we as Christians can show mercy without prejudice.
A person seen for the first time as drunk does not mean they are not alcoholic.
An alcoholic can be a so called cupboard drinker, or secret drinker, and they drink at home secretly. Many female alcoholics drink this way, due to the stigma of being a 'woman alcoholic'. Some are binge drinkers too, and only drink on occasions but always getting drunk, but isolate themselves at home. That is why I said, who knows what a person does behind closed doors.
Also, a person can become alcoholic from their very first drink.
The point is, it is better to treat all drunk people as an alcoholic who cannot help themselves. In this way, we as Christians can show mercy without prejudice.
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This is where I take fault. You said previously you struggle to because x, y or z... Now you're flat-out saying you won't.
We're supposed to turn the other cheek but if we're telling ourselves we can't or won't before we even try, then we aren't going to succeed. It's like agreeing with yourself to finish last in a marathon. You're going to finish last because you told yourself and agreed you would.
You're setting yourself up to fail and while you may react to it and feel bad, we should strive to attack sin at the root; not prune the branches back when it becomes obvious.
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Good Morning. I am Sylvia, and I am an alcoholic. I have been sober not quite nine months.
It is difficult for one on the outside of this to see and understand the difference between someone who just drinks too much on occasion and someone with a dependency upon alcohol. My brother Mikhael Is working diligently to resolve his issue, and I applaud and support him in this.
To lighten it up just a bit and coalesce aspects of the discussion, here I am not entirely sober, with a hat and definite attitude:
It is difficult for one on the outside of this to see and understand the difference between someone who just drinks too much on occasion and someone with a dependency upon alcohol. My brother Mikhael Is working diligently to resolve his issue, and I applaud and support him in this.
To lighten it up just a bit and coalesce aspects of the discussion, here I am not entirely sober, with a hat and definite attitude:
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